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I'm going to go through my reloading process. I see people online having all sorts of issues, and this info will prevent the majority of it. Also, I'm a fan of inexpensive, solid, standard equipment and analog processes that do not require electricity. I'm going to get hammered by the "know-it-alls", but I don't care, since I really know it all. At least I can show the results from my processes. All of what I do is analog, and I measure with basic instruments. My techniques are repeatable and accurate, so forget telling me that I don't know how to use a powder scale or a caliper. Try my processes yourself, and ignore the fog of moaning from those who don't understand. First, case prep. All cases are good. Yeah, Federal primer pockets get loose after a couple of firings, but Federal is doing the Lake City loads for the military now (last I heard), so their brass blend may be better. Lake City is superb brass for .223, .308 or .30-'06. Lapua may be better, but you'll do fine with Remington, Winchester, LC, or Hornady. Trust me, I've done exhaustive testing, and posted that elsewhere. Here's the equipment list: RCBS Rock Chucker II, RCBS 505 beam scale, powder trickler, Hornady tool for measuring base to ogive and measuring shoulder bump (used to be Stony Point), Lee powder scoop set, any metal caliper (analog preferred), Redding body/shoulder bump die, Lee collet/mandrel neck sizing die, Forster bullet seater, Lee Dead Length bullet seater, any powder, any primer, and JLK bullets (there's a reason - just wait). You can add a runout gauge of some sort, but it's not necessary. To test runout, you can simply roll the loaded case across a flat surface. If the tip of the bullet doesn't wobble, there's no significant runout.
The first thing is to decap. I use an RCBS decapping die. By decapping as a single step, you can tell if the primer pocket is kaput, before wasting any more effort on that case. For case sizing, I use vegetable oil for lube (wearing nitrile gloves), and only need to lube the case wall using my process. I could just wipe it off, but I tumble in water with added auto wash/wax and a capful of cream of tartar. (Thank you, Paul. He knows who he is, if he reads this.) If you don't wash off the vegetable oil, it gets ugly. You can use motor oil for lube, then just wipe it off. Leaving a thin film of oil is not ugly. (Thanks again, Paul.) If you want to use a reloading-specific lube, by all means use it. I'm saying what I use. I don't want complaints about stuck cases being my fault, so do what you're comfortable with. Hey, if you're reloading ammunition, you're on your own, and there's no one else to blame.
When you adjust the Redding body/shoulder bump die into the press, make sure to square the die by screwing it in against the press ram in the full up position. This minimizes runout on the case. Shoulder bump should be a few thousandths. Pick your poison on that, but always full-length size. This is for consistency. If the die has to be backed out to set the proper shoulder bump, put a washer on top of the press ram, to square the die before tightening the lock ring. I neck size after cleaning the cases. Using the Lee collet/mandrel die removes the concern over inconsistent neck wall thickness. It also permits fine tuning of the bullet seating pressure, by adjusting the amount of squeeze on the case neck. If the die is backed out a little, the neck will be somewhat looser. I personally like fairly minimal neck tension. You can turn the case necks to establish consistency, but it's not critical. Yes, a high-level competitor in F/Open is probably going to turn case necks. Do it if it makes a difference on the target you are shooting. After sizing, trim to length, and chamfer inside and outside case necks. Here's the next take-home message: chamfer the inside of the case neck by hand every time. If there is a burr on the inside of the neck, it will shave or scratch the bullet jacket, and you've wasted your time loading that one. You can't measure whether this is happening. Yes, it can happen without showing externally, but you'll never know without taking the case apart. Don't do anything to primer pockets. If you want to clean the pocket, that's fine. Next will be priming, powder measuring, and bullet seating. Let's see how this post is received first, since it's long.
 
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Very similar to what I do. All analog. I hadn’t thought of placing a washer on top of the ram before tightening the lock ring. Thanks. I do use sizing wax. Clean primer pockets every time and uniform them first time. Don’t turn necks and can keep most of my factory barrels around .5 MOA and sometimes less.
 
Lake City ammo plant is now operated by Winchester (since Oct 2020.)

Operators:

1941 (inception) - 1985: Remington
1985 -2001: Olin Corp
2001 - 2015: Alliant Techsystems (of which Federal Cartridge is a subsidiary)
2015 - 2020: Orbital ATK (which merged with Alliant)
2020 - ?: Winchester
 
I tried to keep the reloading process as simple as possible since I do not enjoy reloading after 50 some years of doing it.

The one aspect of it that I firmly believe in is full sizing with a slight shoulder bump. For me, as a varmint and predator hunter, this produces reliable reloads and does not reduce accuracy or case life.

The other aspect I firmly believe in is using published data and learning to read signs of high pressure.

For guys starting reloading these days there is an abundance of good instructions out there. I personally believe the Lyman Reloading Handbook is one the best ever published.
 
Good read.... I honestly think you need to figure out how to do things YOUR way.... You can read all the manuals and watch all the videos out there but in the end you need to figure out what works for you and the way a person needs to do it correctly but easily and in a timely manner.... I have my way of loading and it may not be the best or fastest but it works for me and my stuff shoots as good as I can shoot it anymore.... Because of failing eyes and other problems I don't spend the time loading each round as perfect as I used to... Still pretty close but I have taken a few non safety of course steps out I would bet that it's less than some do but more than others put into loading...
 
Lake City ammo plant is now operated by Winchester (since Oct 2020.)

Operators:

1941 (inception) - 1985: Remington
1985 -2001: Olin Corp
2001 - 2015: Alliant Techsystems (of which Federal Cartridge is a subsidiary)
2015 - 2020: Orbital ATK (which merged with Alliant)
2020 - ?: Winchester
Roger that. My last contact with anyone who would know was prior to 2015, so there you go!
 
Good read.... I honestly think you need to figure out how to do things YOUR way.... You can read all the manuals and watch all the videos out there but in the end you need to figure out what works for you and the way a person needs to do it correctly but easily and in a timely manner.... I have my way of loading and it may not be the best or fastest but it works for me and my stuff shoots as good as I can shoot it anymore.... Because of failing eyes and other problems I don't spend the time loading each round as perfect as I used to... Still pretty close but I have taken a few non safety of course steps out I would bet that it's less than some do but more than others put into loading...
Absolutely agree. Like I posted, if it doesn't make a difference on your target (with you shooting your loads in your rifle), it isn't worth doing. I post this mainly for the advantages to proper neck sizing for consistent tension, and the bullet seating info, since people can obsess about base-to-ogive. Done my way, nobody is going to "unload" on your ammo nohow. Incidentally, JLK bullets, since they are rebated-rim boattails, are good to use in high-mileage barrels, in addition to all the other barrels. Rebated rims help obdurate the pressure ring a bit more than standard boattails, which is purportedly better as barrels age. BTW, I haven't shot David Tubb's bullets, but I am willing to bet they are equal to JLK's. Tubb's are also rebated-rim.
 
Good thought & an honest effort to fix an unsolvable non-problem. Not only here, but on other sites as well, there are lot of new reloaders asking basic questions that have been answered many times before. Quite often these posts are prefaced by the statement "I've been reloading for a while now, and..." I'm fairly sure this thread will also pass into the mists of time by next month too. And the beat goes on...

Thinking I kind of agree with much of what's written in the original post, but cant be sure as I just skimmed it. My eyes were giving fits trying to read in detail. Paragraphs & spacing would make it read so much easier. Besides, my process is much better than yours. ;)

Imperial is much quicker & easier than oil for sizing lube counting clean up time... everywhere. Never stuck a case with it yet. I worked with oily hands for many years & it's a damned mess. YMMV

Having been blessed with a mechanical background before taking up the hobby, I owned & knew how to properly use measuring tools. Many haven't a clue that micrometers aren't C-clamps. Most beginners (who this thread is directed at) should understand not only the hows, but also the whys, of the process being more concerned with case fit & developing a safe, workable, & repeatable technique than fiddling with runout or seating depth. That comes later... after all cases will repeatedly fit, feed, chamber, & go bang without separation when the trigger is squeezed. Mere mortals learn to walk before they can run. And the beat goes on...

This part made me chuckle... "... but I don't care, since I really know it all." Hoping your tongue was firmly in your cheek. It's hard to tell on the internet.

Absolutely posted with tongue in cheek, but just in case... :D


Edited to fix poor grammar.
 
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Do what I wrote, and compare it to another process for consistency of loaded cartridge base-to-ogive measurement. I know I'm weighing powder within 1-2 kernels, without buying a Prometheus. I know my runout is as small as any. My bullet seating technique from post #2 is the only way I've ever seen to evaluate bullet ogive consistency. I've done case capacity measurements on 50-60 cases at a time, to document what I say about the consistency of the brass I recommend. Yes, Lapua probably lasts longer. LC sure lasts a long time, and it's not like my trash dump is full of Hornady, Remington, or Winchester either. I tested the on-target effect of case capacity variation on the mean vs. samples mixed from each of the extremes of LC brass, and the extremes (5 of the lowest capacity mixed with 5 of the highest capacity) shot the exact same 10-shot group as the cases that all 10 had the exact same case capacity. The groups were 0.69" and 0.70" CTC, with the slightly and insignificantly smaller one being the cases from the extremes. This was done at 100 yards indoors. But when you test at longer ranges, it requires going outside, which introduces variables unrelated to what you are evaluating. Again, the litmus test is on-target demonstration of significant change due to measurable variables.
 
I'm going to go through my reloading process. I see people online having all sorts of issues, and this info will prevent the majority of it. Also, I'm a fan of inexpensive, solid, standard equipment and analog processes that do not require electricity. I'm going to get hammered by the "know-it-alls", but I don't care, since I really know it all. At least I can show the results from my processes. All of what I do is analog, and I measure with basic instruments. My techniques are repeatable and accurate, so forget telling me that I don't know how to use a powder scale or a caliper. Try my processes yourself, and ignore the fog of moaning from those who don't understand. First, case prep. All cases are good. Yeah, Federal primer pockets get loose after a couple of firings, but Federal is doing the Lake City loads for the military now (last I heard), so their brass blend may be better. Lake City is superb brass for .223, .308 or .30-'06. Lapua may be better, but you'll do fine with Remington, Winchester, LC, or Hornady. Trust me, I've done exhaustive testing, and posted that elsewhere. Here's the equipment list: RCBS Rock Chucker II, RCBS 505 beam scale, powder trickler, Hornady tool for measuring base to ogive and measuring shoulder bump (used to be Stony Point), Lee powder scoop set, any metal caliper (analog preferred), Redding body/shoulder bump die, Lee collet/mandrel neck sizing die, Forster bullet seater, Lee Dead Length bullet seater, any powder, any primer, and JLK bullets (there's a reason - just wait). You can add a runout gauge of some sort, but it's not necessary. To test runout, you can simply roll the loaded case across a flat surface. If the tip of the bullet doesn't wobble, there's no significant runout.
The first thing is to decap. I use an RCBS decapping die. By decapping as a single step, you can tell if the primer pocket is kaput, before wasting any more effort on that case. For case sizing, I use vegetable oil for lube (wearing nitrile gloves), and only need to lube the case wall using my process. I could just wipe it off, but I tumble in water with added auto wash/wax and a capful of cream of tartar. (Thank you, Paul. He knows who he is, if he reads this.) If you don't wash off the vegetable oil, it gets ugly. You can use motor oil for lube, then just wipe it off. Leaving a thin film of oil is not ugly. (Thanks again, Paul.) If you want to use a reloading-specific lube, by all means use it. I'm saying what I use. I don't want complaints about stuck cases being my fault, so do what you're comfortable with. Hey, if you're reloading ammunition, you're on your own, and there's no one else to blame.
When you adjust the Redding body/shoulder bump die into the press, make sure to square the die by screwing it in against the press ram in the full up position. This minimizes runout on the case. Shoulder bump should be a few thousandths. Pick your poison on that, but always full-length size. This is for consistency. If the die has to be backed out to set the proper shoulder bump, put a washer on top of the press ram, to square the die before tightening the lock ring. I neck size after cleaning the cases. Using the Lee collet/mandrel die removes the concern over inconsistent neck wall thickness. It also permits fine tuning of the bullet seating pressure, by adjusting the amount of squeeze on the case neck. If the die is backed out a little, the neck will be somewhat looser. I personally like fairly minimal neck tension. You can turn the case necks to establish consistency, but it's not critical. Yes, a high-level competitor in F/Open is probably going to turn case necks. Do it if it makes a difference on the target you are shooting. After sizing, trim to length, and chamfer inside and outside case necks. Here's the next take-home message: chamfer the inside of the case neck by hand every time. If there is a burr on the inside of the neck, it will shave or scratch the bullet jacket, and you've wasted your time loading that one. You can't measure whether this is happening. Yes, it can happen without showing externally, but you'll never know without taking the case apart. Don't do anything to primer pockets. If you want to clean the pocket, that's fine. Next will be priming, powder measuring, and bullet seating. Let's see how this post is received first, since it's long.
FC lost the contract! Olin has it now....for the last year.
 
At what ranges have you tested your reloading practices ?
1,000 yards. I have shot in F/Open matches using my 26" barreled 6.5. My rifle (and me too) are not competitive at Bayou Rifles, where national champions, world champions, and national record holders occupy many of the shooting spots. However, one of them was scoring for me and noted that my vertical dispersion was about as good as anybody's. Wind drift was what dropped my score the most; 6.5 CM from a 26" barrel will not compete against a 32" bull barrel shooting 7 SAUM or 6.5/284. That said, I have won a couple of F/TR matches at 600 yards over the years. I've shot other matches at 1,000 yards, not just that one. BTW, my first sighter was about 8" from the target center (scored a 9), and the rifle had never been shot farther than 100 yards. When Best of the West was open in Leander, TX, I took my son-in-law and his .30-'06 to try his hand at long range. I had some Berger 185s VLD hunting bullets loaded for him, and coached him. But he never missed the target, starting at 250 yds., then 500, 750, and finally 1,000. He had to hit 3 to qualify to shoot the next distance, and the RO turned him loose after 750. He hit the 1,000 yd. target 5 straight times, and then we went home. That rifle was a box stock Winchester Model 70, with a tuned trigger, bedded action, and 15 power Bushnell scope.
 
Good thought & an honest effort to fix an unsolvable non-problem. Not only here, but on other sites as well, there are lot of new reloaders asking basic questions that have been answered many times before. Quite often these posts are prefaced by the statement "I've been reloading for a while now, and..." I'm fairly sure this thread will also pass into the mists of time by next month too. And the beat goes on...

Thinking I kind of agree with much of what's written in the original post, but cant be sure as I just skimmed it. My eyes were giving fits trying to read in detail. Paragraphs & spacing would make it read so much easier. Besides, my process is much better than yours. ;)

Imperial is much quicker & easier than oil for sizing lube counting clean up time... everywhere. Never stuck a case with it yet. I worked with oily hands for many years & it's a damned mess. YMMV

Having been blessed with a mechanical background before taking up the hobby, I owned & knew how to properly use measuring tools. Many haven't a clue that micrometers aren't C-clamps. Most beginners (who this thread is directed at) should understand not only the hows, but also the whys, of the process being more concerned with case fit & developing a safe, workable, & repeatable technique than fiddling with runout or seating depth. That comes later... after all cases will repeatedly fit, feed, chamber, & go bang without separation when the trigger is squeezed. Mere mortals learn to walk before they can run. And the beat goes on...

This part made me chuckle... "... but I don't care, since I really know it all." Hoping your tongue was firmly in your cheek. It's hard to tell on the internet.

Absolutely posted with tongue in cheek, but just in case... :D


Edited to fix poor grammar.
Yep a can of Imperial or Hornady sizing wax cost what$10 and lasts forever. God didn’t intend for us to wear nitrile gloves to reload, I have soap to wash my hands.
I enjoy my time loading as much as shooting but may not be under time constraints as some getting ready for matches.
 
If your techniques provide the desired target results, then you're golden. Especially since various options were studied and validated vs others opinions.
 
In a sport as complex as ours, I can't help but be put off when someone says something like "I really know it all" as a prelude to telling us the "right" way to do something - let alone everything. I didn't get the impression that was said tongue-in-cheek in the least, especially having read the OP follow up posts.

I figured out a while ago, that there are many "right" ways to do almost everything associated with handloading, with some probably better than others. I agree with 358WCF, that much of what is discussed on this forum, is not applicable to the beginning handloader. Today I am loading far more consistent ammo than I was 5 years ago and back then I thought it was pretty good. But by having taken advantage of the vast and varied knowledge available on this forum, my processes have evolved into what they are today.

Frankly, I hope I never "really know it all".
 
My techniques are repeatable and accurate, so forget telling me that I don't know how to use a powder scale or a caliper. Try my processes yourself, and ignore the fog of moaning from those who don't understand. First, case prep.
Let's star with case prep for the novice hand loader that will primarily load for factory rifles with nothing more than a floated barrel and bedded stock. Would you consider neck reaming once fired brass to be an important step to be included, or just a waste of time.?
Personally, I think it's an important step, because I think it helps take out "high spots" on inconsistent neck wall thickness, which will help concentricity and neck tension. I think this one step really helps using my L.E. Wilson tool.
If this step isn't beneficial, please elaborate. If it is beneficial, tell us why you don't mention it.
 

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