Does anyone neck turn anymore?

[jackieschmidt]

I would venture a guess that 99.9% of all short range Group and Score Shooters neck turn.

We are about removing every variable we are able too in solving the Accuracy Equation.

I honestly do not know the trends in the Long Range Disciplines.

 

[garandman]

I don’t neck turn. I use Lapua brass and lately Peterson.

Im using Peterson for 6 Dasher. No turning. Early results look good.

 

[chromatica]

I turn necks using a 21st century lathe in order to achieve consistent neck tension. 21st Century provides the proper mandrels for expanding and then turning. I am using several different brands of brass. I turn ADG and Lapua necks down to match the neck thickness of my factory Hornady brass. That way I don't have to readjust my dies for each brand of brass. I use ADG and Lapua for competition and Hornady for plinking.

 

[INTJ]

I honestly do not know the trends in the Long Range Disciplines

I think most of us neck turn. We can't afford to make any compromises in accuracy either.

 

[Triple BB]

I’m not a competition shooter and quit turning. Shawn Carlock told me he quit turning necks 20 years ago. Bryan Litz recommends to shoot a load without turning and establish a base line. He said they’ve worked up loads that shot worse after turning.

 

[INTJ]

I’m not a competition shooter and quit turning. Shawn Carlock told me he quit turning necks 20 years ago. Bryan Litz recommends to shoot a load without turning and establish a base line. He said they’ve worked up loads that shot worse after turning.

That is likely because of turning for a chamber that doesn't require turning. Optimal neck clearance is around .003" for a 6mm and .004" for a 30 cal. When we get much more than .005 or .006" of neck clearance then accuracy can suffer.

That is the problem with "cleaning up" necks for a no turn chamber. We can make things worse.

 

[joshb]

I turn. PMA.

 

[rwj]

That is likely because of turning for a chamber that doesn't require turning. Optimal neck clearance is around .003" for a 6mm and .004" for a 30 cal. When we get much more than .005 or .006" of neck clearance then accuracy can suffer.

That is the problem with "cleaning up" necks for a no turn chamber. We can make things worse.

What would be the reason(s) for accuracy to decrease with increased neck/chamber clearance?

 

[INTJ]

What would be the reason(s) for accuracy to decrease with increased neck/chamber clearance?

Like with many things involving shooting, I am not sure of the why, just the how. Perhaps it's more long term accuracy from working the necks too much and splitting case necks.

Since we know brass springs back after expanding and hitting the chamber walls, perhaps too much neck expansion makes spring back less consistent and affects ignition.

 

[Mark W]

What would be the reason(s) for accuracy to decrease with increased neck/chamber clearance?

Here’s another thread on the subject of neck clearance. It seems that some feel there is no “too much neck clearance”.

 

[mikecr]

It's as likely there is no 'too little' either.
The affects of either center on a good plan & management of it -or the opposite.

 

[garandman]

In other words....y'all have no idea.

ETA: I certainly don't.

 

[Liven The Dream]

I have has a Foster set up as new for years.
I just got it out and working. Found these little Donuts forming at the base of .284 Brass ?
This is 6.5 X .284 Laupa necked up to straight .284 . Never thought I would make Donuts .
It makes shooting a lot better. Live and learn .

 

[garandman]

I have not heard a comment or watched a video that ever said turning necks has a negative effect. Most comments are in the positive.

If your brass already fits your chamber skip the neck turning. After you get your loads as good as they can be then try a test group of neck turning/skimming and see if there isn't a noticeable difference in your ES and group size at distance. I'd bet you will.

I've seen great shooters who never: turn necks, clean their brass, or anneal.

Never leave an option out of your tool box though.

I'd say...sure. Try everything. IF you have unlimited money, time and opportunity. |Its when ya don't that the difficult task of picking and choosing becomes necessary. Other ppls wisdom and experience are very helpful here.

100% of ppl are sure powder charge / seating depth matter.

80% of ppl are sure neck tension matters....somehow.

80 % of ppl are sure annealing helps lengthen case life. And 60% thinks it could help accuracy.

50% of ppl think neck turning matters*

* all percentages are approximate and used only for illustration.

Some things are no brainers. Some are probable, and some are a toss up. So if ya can, try everything. The only thing that matters is what matters in the individual rifle. As one fella said...."I do 20 different things in my brass prep. Prolly only 10 matter. I'm just not sure which 10." Speaking only for myself, I'm more likely to be convinced of something when ppl can explain "scientifically" why.... the logic of why, the cause and effect behind the observed phenomenon....BECAUSE what they are 100% sure matters MAY matter ONLY in their rifle, and with the 2 dozen other variables that are specific to ONLY their situation.

That's why I don't trust either the anti-vaxxers OR the "Get the vaxx or you'll kill the whole planet" crowds.

 

[K22]

Never did and never saw the need in order to meet my standards for precision but my standards are probably modest compared to guys shooting long range (i.e >300 yards) these days.

Also, the simpler I can keep the reloading process the better I like it.

 

[liljoe]

It all depends on what you want to accomplish. Do you want to shoot nice groups in your backyard or are you competing with the best and trying to beat them?
See below picture.

 

[mikecr]

That's why I don't trust either the anti-vaxxers OR....

I prefer 'Informed Medical Choicer'

 

[RegionRat]

It all depends on what you want to accomplish. Do you want to shoot nice groups in your backyard or are you competing with the best and trying to beat them?
See below picture.

Some amazing shooting and amazing folks on that plaque.

 

[Marksman]

Well down the rabbit hole I go again...

I picked up some Wilson case holders for the 220 Swift and 22/250 that I'll be working with. I'll go through the brass and make sure all the brass is trimmed to a consistent length. However, I feel I'll need to spend the few bucks and get the power drill adapter to save my wrists.

Then I chamfer the inside and outside of the necks.

Then I run the brass through the PMA expander die to uniform the necks.

Next step is to run through the neck turner. I did pick up the PMA power tool case holder for the .473" case head cartridges, but I forgot that the 220 has an odd diameter. BUT while looking through my drawer I found another power case holder that I already had, BUT it requires using Redding Case holders, which I don't have for the 220 Swift.

Looks like at least one more order to get the remaining things I need, then I'll be ready to buzz through these cases.