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How important is one kernel of powder?

The importance of a single granule of powder depends on the total charge weight, the distance to target, the degree of accuracy that can be achieved given the other variables, and the shooters ability. On the other hand, hobbies are all about the freedom to make ones own choices, within reason. If you enjoy weighing powder to a very high standard, then by all means do it. Having said that, I wonder how many who do this routinely use wind flags.
 
Upto 1,000 yards a 1% of MV (say 30 fps) variation is un correctable for highest BC per weight.
Do the math, play with some ballistic calculator.
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The importance of a single granule of powder depends on the total charge weight, the distance to target, the degree of accuracy that can be achieved given the other variables, and the shooters ability. On the other hand, hobbies are all about the freedom to make ones own choices, within reason. If you enjoy weighing powder to a very high standard, then by all means do it. Having said that, I wonder how many who do this routinely use wind flags.
Boyd,
Am curious about your windflag comment. Ranges used in 600 to 1K competitions have multiple flags. Now whether the competitor chooses to use them is a question. Short range BR shooters utilize their own flags and may have many flags from their bench to the 100 yd target.
Agree, the casual shooter looking for accuracy , regardless of range, needs to shoot over flags if any degree of accuracy is to be obtained. Otherwise you are at the mercy of the elements and can make no judgements as to what caused the bad shots.
Bob
 
The importance of a single granule of powder depends on the total charge weight, the distance to target, the degree of accuracy that can be achieved given the other variables, and the shooters ability. On the other hand, hobbies are all about the freedom to make ones own choices, within reason. If you enjoy weighing powder to a very high standard, then by all means do it. Having said that, I wonder how many who do this routinely use wind flags.
I'm thinking the lack of using wind flags is the cause of my 9's.
 
After a while we can probably agree on the idea that the linear math says one kernel of powder doesn't tip over an otherwise tuned load, and it would typically not show in a test that was designed to intentionally bias charges up or down by a kernel or two in reality either.

A POI node, and a velocity statistic are sometimes going to overlap well enough to stay several tenths of a grain wide, and sometimes they don't. If the POI node is decent, and we have a good ES/SD, then we usually have good performance out at distance. Without needing to pick a specific caliber or cartridge, the typical observation is that you would generally want those velocity stats to have an ES under 30 or they create too much vertical.

When you don't watch a CM real close, the ES in batches can easily create enough error in charge that we are not discussing a kernel or two, but more than two tenths. That sucks up your safety margin for keeping large batches in the center of that tuning node. Keeping a CM error down below 0.2 can and has been done, but it takes discipline and focus, way more focus than rejecting over or under throws on the FX120i.

That said, one of the concepts we don't hear often enough is the one about measurement uncertainty. Unlike some of the other comments about tests where folks did side-by-side runs with their CM and their FX120i, mine does show a difference. That means when enough rounds were loaded in several sessions, the CM uncertainty was high enough to cause some vertical dispersion when the sample sizes were large enough to have that statistic show up.

The Autothrow/trickler doesn't hold to a kernel, but the CM doesn't hold to 0.1 grains either. The point for me was that the AT/FX120i was about 3X better than the CM in terms of charge error ES and also faster when I ran it with two cups while running against Chargmaster.

It is one of those things in life where Better-Faster-Cheaper is a trade where we can often get two out of three, but it is a rare day when you get all three. The AT/FX120i isn't cheap when compared to the CM, but it is cheap when compared to the only practical alternative which is the Prometheus. However, the post wasn't meant to be a comparison of the scales.

The thread was meant to answer does a kernel make a difference. In reality it doesn't, but the question is usually not one of a kernel or two either. In the real world, we are not all BR shooters. Some of us want to load for multi-day trips. When you sit down to load and you are faced with a table covered with hundreds of hungry rounds waiting to be fed their charge, it isn't going to be to a kernel or two, but you still want to try and keep that error to a minimum. When you are not trying to hold to a kernel or two, you find yourself going over 0.2 grains in a session as a result unless you are going to exercise discipline and way more focus. For less effort, you can be within a few kernels.
 
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The importance of a single granule of powder depends on the total charge weight, the distance to target, the degree of accuracy that can be achieved given the other variables, and the shooters ability. On the other hand, hobbies are all about the freedom to make ones own choices, within reason. If you enjoy weighing powder to a very high standard, then by all means do it. Having said that, I wonder how many who do this routinely use wind flags.
Thinking out loud....

1 kernal of powder = potential energy. The same amount of potential energy, regardless of how many other kernels are with it. If , upon detonation, 1 kernal of powder = 1 joule of energy (for lack of a better unit of energy,) then 250 kernels of powder = 250 joules.

As such I'm not understanding how "the importance of a single granule of powder depends on the total charge weight".... as its a linear relationship, not exponential.

Of course, there's alot of things I don't understand. :)
 
Ok, if you think 1 kernel makes a difference think about this. In any 100 pack of primers there is an average of roughly 4 kernals of powder differece in weight, usually attributed to the compound amount. So the primers are making a bigger difference than the 1 kernel by far. So maybe you better check out your primers and not worry about 1 piece of powder. How to I know......I have weighed over 5000 primers the last 2 years.
 
Ok, if you think 1 kernel makes a difference think about this. In any 100 pack of primers there is an average of roughly 4 kernals of powder differece in weight, usually attributed to the compound amount. So the primers are making a bigger difference than the 1 kernel by far. So maybe you better check out your primers and not worry about 1 piece of powder. How to I know......I have weighed over 5000 primers the last 2 years.
That, plus the impression that I have formed lately that most folks don't keep track of the humidity where they are loading, which also adds to the tally.
 
Some of those benchrest guys reload at the range and don't even weigh the charges.
I totally agree - I have seen many benchrest guys dip cases or use a dipper and load right on the bench. 1 kernel means nothing.
 
I have an Ohaus scale, it measures to .02 grains, you can see the exact weight of each kernel as it hits the scale. Varget is a relatively small kernel and if I remember correctly, each one weighs about .03 to .04 grains, H4350 is about .04 to .06 grains, so each load is within + or - .02 grains. I guess if you were really anal, you could cut the kernels in half.
 
A kernel of Varget averages .02. On the other had are you satisfies with .25 or are you looking for .1 to 1.3 for average 3 shot groups in load development ? Maybe .5 is good for your chosen game, if it is, it's pretty easy.
 
0.1 gr of Varget for me was 2-3 kernels.... i.e. 2-3 kernels would change digital read out on the scale from 41.4 to 41.5 gr.
Same seen on beam scale; though in 223 a .0334 gr difference is a bigger effect. 23.5gr total.
 
To truly find out how much difference a kernel makes prepare 15 charges by weighing them multiple times, using multiple scales, etc whatever is possible to make them as identical as possible. Then randomly sort them into fives groups with three charges each. Into the first group take out two kernels, from the second group take out one kernel, do nothing to the third group, add one kernel to the fourth group, and add two kernels to the fifth group. So you are doing a ladder test based on number of kernels. Shoot them at your preferred distance and see if the point of impact or group size change. That will give your answer based on the combination of harmonics, current scale capability, etc. Then you can make an informed decision.
 
Looking at the high end powder throwers and scales compared with the chargemasters and the like and wondering how important a kernel of powder is in precision. For my load, one kernel divided by FPS is about 1 to 1. At 600 yds that’s equal to about .1 inches. One tenth of a grain is equal to .6 inch. Most of the cheaper powder measures are within .1 grain or 6 kernels of varget. You can get even more precise if you trickel up. I realize the relationship between kernels of powder and FPS is not linear but .1 or .2 of an inch seems insignificant at 600 yds. That much could probably be tuned out. What say ye?
Can you hold 0.1" precision at 600 yd? Or even 0.6"? Your minimum group spread at a given distance relative to the predicted [theoretical] vertical due to charge weight/velocity variance at that distance is a good comparator to illustrate that weighing powder to a single kernel will probably never be the limiting (largest) source of error in terms of precision. Likewise, 0.1 grain of powder will typically be worth about 5-10 fps velocity in a charge weight test, dependent on the cartridge/powder/bullet weight, etc. Unless a reloader can routinely achieve velocity ES values lower than the amount by which 0.1 gr of powder will change the average velocity (most cannot), even when weighing powder to +/- one kernel precision, that means some other factor besides charge weight variance was the limiting source of error in terms of velocity ES.

Nonetheless, many of us do weigh powder to as precise as +/- half a kernel. The primary reasons for this are 1) sources of error can be additive, such that even non-limiting sources of error when taken together can become significant, 2) weighing powder to this level of precision really takes little more time with the proper equipment than weighing it to a coarser increment, and 3) by doing so, you never really have to be concerned about velocity variance due to charge weight variance when you're behind the rifle. In other words, by weighing powder to the kernel (or less), which is a much finer increment than is absolutely necessary in theory, you have effectively eliminated charge weight variance as a source of error. But to be clear, that doesn't mean that weighing powder to that level of precision is necessary, or even desirable, for all reloaders.
 
To truly find out how much difference a kernel makes prepare 15 charges by weighing them multiple times, using multiple scales, etc whatever is possible to make them as identical as possible. Then randomly sort them into fives groups with three charges each. Into the first group take out two kernels, from the second group take out one kernel, do nothing to the third group, add one kernel to the fourth group, and add two kernels to the fifth group. So you are doing a ladder test based on number of kernels. Shoot them at your preferred distance and see if the point of impact or group size change. That will give your answer based on the combination of harmonics, current scale capability, etc. Then you can make an informed decision.
I like your idea of testing but I would do it a bit different. A set of loads weighed to 1 kernel. A set of loads having random charges of plus 1, plus 2, plus 3, minus 1, 2, 3 . Now, from these random loads pick at random 3 shot lots. Now shoot back to back to back 3 shot groups of each at the longest distance you compete at. Is there difference? Now repeat the test. If the results repeat you have some information to decide what you need to do. My thought is to cut every variable I can , tune my rifle the best I can, then go to the line knowing if I make no gun handling errors and discern conditions properly I have done all I can do. Does it mean I will win, no, but I will be in the conversation most matches. Being less diligent because I think I might get away with it does not appeal to me. I shoot against too many good shooters.
 
Boyd,
Am curious about your windflag comment. Ranges used in 600 to 1K competitions have multiple flags. Now whether the competitor chooses to use them is a question. Short range BR shooters utilize their own flags and may have many flags from their bench to the 100 yd target.
Agree, the casual shooter looking for accuracy , regardless of range, needs to shoot over flags if any degree of accuracy is to be obtained. Otherwise you are at the mercy of the elements and can make no judgements as to what caused the bad shots.
Bob
In case you did not know it, When Bart shot his tiny 600 yd. HG record, in addition to the range flags he used his short range flags.
 

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