Will we see a 100x power rifle scope in the next 5 years ?

[Ledd Slinger]

What is your point?

F-Class does not require a higher level of precision than a sniper.

Precision is more about shooting small groups. Accuracy is hitting center of target. Of course F-Class requires both to win because it’s only the score that matters which is highest in the center of the target. A sniper strives for the same exact thing. Precision and accuracy. Difference is that a military snipers rounds landing on target where he needs them can be the difference between life and death of his fellow soldiers in the field so I can guarantee his “requirement” for precision and accuracy is insanely higher than anyone shooting paper for fun. What’s the downside if you miss the 10 ring on a F-Class target? Nothing really. A sniper misses his shot, other people can die.

Not saying that all snipers shoot rifles that are more accurate or precise than long range competition shooters, but the pressure to make the correct shot placement is much higher. I just think the analogy and wording you used was wrong

 

[John Edmonds]

Who is for going digital ?

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

F-Class does not require a higher level of precision than a sniper.

Precision is more about shooting small groups. Accuracy is hitting center of target. Of course F-Class requires both to win because it’s only the score that matters which is highest in the center of the target. A sniper strives for the same exact thing. Precision and accuracy. Difference is that a military snipers rounds landing on target where he needs them can be the difference between life and death of his fellow soldiers in the field so I can guarantee his “requirement” for precision and accuracy is insanely higher than anyone shooting paper for fun. What’s the downside if you miss the 10 ring on a F-Class target? Nothing really. A sniper misses his shot, other people can die.

Not saying that all snipers shoot rifles that are more accurate or precise than long range competition shooters, but the pressure to make the correct shot placement is much higher. I just think the analogy and wording you used was wrong

I hear what you are saying. It has nothing to do with this discussion.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Who is for going digital ?

Well, this is where it gets interesting. And presents problems of its own.

Going digital only applies to the second, and perhaps even the third part of a riflescope; that is the erector assembly and the eyepiece. You still have to use some type of optics to form the image at the first focal plane, just like in a riflescope, and that's where the mirage does it bit.

In a digital scope, that first focal plane would actually be a sensor that would capture that image and pass it to the computerized widget behind it to merge a reticle and digitally zoom the image for output on a screen of some type. The widget could try to figure out the correction for the distortion produced by the mirage and other atmospheric conditions, but that would be a virtual image that may no longer line up with the barrel; this engenders other challenges.

 

[John Edmonds]

one lens one piece of glass to make sure has no impurities, then the flexibility of how you capture and process the image. My hopes are a 3600$ dollar scope currently for 500$ dollar window.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

one lens one piece of glass to make sure has no impurities, then the flexibility of how you capture and process the image. My hopes are a 3600$ dollar scope currently for 500$ dollar window.

Unfortunately, even the objective lens group in a scope requires a pair of lenses (a doublet, I believe it is called,) at the front, and an intermediate lens maneuvered by the side focus knob to focus the image properly on the FFP at the front of the erector assembly, or in the case of a digital device, the sensor.

In a non-LPVO riflescope, those lenses are the biggest and most expensive lenses in the riflescope.

 

[kzin]

An astronomical telescope is a different animal compared to a riflescope. Did you like having the picture upside down and right to left? Did you miss the erector assembly?

Also, the focal length of a telescope is much longer than the focal length of the objective assembly of a riflescope. Just for giggles, which astronomy scope were you using?

I shoot F-class at 50X, not free recoil. I have no issue staying perfectly on target at 50X; no tremor here.

I have 2 different sizes of celestron scopes. Even the smaller one is fatter than normal spotting scopes and not any longer. Neither reverses the image(or re-reverses it?) Maybe those aren't full 'astronomy' scopes? I'm 99% sure they're mirror scopes, other than that I haven't paid attention to details. I was just dissapointed that 100x didn't help much at all to see holes in black at 200. It only 'helps' if conditions are ideal and then I can usually see the holes with a 50x rifle scope.

I can shoot 'held' ftr ok with 50x but I definitely see a little movement compared to a 'no touch' FO or BR setup. I wouldn't want to go up in power and I've been experimenting with going down to 35 or 40x without any noticeable change in results. I am 61 and not getting any steadier, though.

 

[kzin]

When I got into shooting seriously 6 years ago i rapidly and happily went from 4 - 12 - 24 -36 - 50x but 50 seems like plenty, no more desire to go higher.

 

[NZ_Fclass]

Heck, I figured NC Star or BSA probably has them now. Probably a 2x-100x for $69.95. jd

Rubber coated, camo and needs 31mm rings?

 

[Steve Blair]

F-Class does not require a higher level of precision than a sniper.

Precision is more about shooting small groups. Accuracy is hitting center of target. Of course F-Class requires both to win because it’s only the score that matters which is highest in the center of the target. A sniper strives for the same exact thing. Precision and accuracy. Difference is that a military snipers rounds landing on target where he needs them can be the difference between life and death of his fellow soldiers in the field so I can guarantee his “requirement” for precision and accuracy is insanely higher than anyone shooting paper for fun. What’s the downside if you miss the 10 ring on a F-Class target? Nothing really. A sniper misses his shot, other people can die.

Not saying that all snipers shoot rifles that are more accurate or precise than long range competition shooters, but the pressure to make the correct shot placement is much higher. I just think the analogy and wording you used was wrong

I shot for years at Camp Pendleton and Twentynine Palms. I have been beaten once by a Marine sniper, an instructor who shot on USMC Rifle Team. An exceptionally nice guy, too. KD competition shooting is just different than sniping. Top F-TR rifles are more precise than military sniper rifles. USMC or other snipers are not necessarily world-beating marksmen. What separates them is they are really sneaky guys who can approach closely enough that they do not need to make a fantastic shot and they do it under great pressure.

I was also VP Marketing at Barrett Firearms at the beginning and have demonstrated Barrett .50s to SF snipers in about a dozen countries, so I know a little about how snipers work. I respect them a great deal for what they do. That does not make them great KD competition shooters.

 

[Tempest]

Did some ELR shooting couple years ago. Was using a Nighforce ATACR with 25X. On the day we shot we could not use more than 14X because of mirage.

 

[butchlambert]

I could be mistaken, but I think March had a 10-100 a few years ago. I will check.

 

[Lefty Trigger]

Glass quality is more important that power, for me. I have looked through scopes that have high power but not a good image. Less power with quality glass is clear and crisp. What holds me back is cost, I would love to have a March 80x but for now I keep latching onto used Nightforce scopes.

 

[butchlambert]

I just spoke to Turk Takano and he said the 10-80 is and was the most powerful one. Turk was the man behind the start of March scopes. He sent me a photo of his Anschutz with a 6-60X Genesis. He shoots 300-500yd rimfire.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

It's actually an 8-80X56.