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Savage Stock/Accuracy Quandary

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My shooting partner had a stock made for one of his Savage target bbl. actions with a conventional bedding job. When he got it back, it would not group or give any decent ES numbers. So he sends the stock out to have an aluminum bedding block installed just like his other stocks have. The stock come back, the rifle still doesn't shoot. Takes the bbl. action out, drops it in another stock and starts shooting sub MOA with ES in the single digits. In both cases the barrel is free floated.
Can anyone offer and suggestions as to what/where to look for answers?
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,

Lloyd
 
Compared to some other actions, Savages require some significant wood relief in the rear area. Sometimes that is botched. I had one stock for a savage that had to be completely restored with bedding material because the inletting was over-cut in the rear and the stock didn't have sufficient strength for the rear action screw. This is just a guess -- but I wouldn't rule out the first stock in your buddy's case being defective.
 
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Compared to some other actions, Savages require some significant wood relief in the rear area. Sometimes that is botched. I had one stock for a savage that had to be completely restored with bedding material because the inletting was over-cut in the rear and the stock didn't have sufficient strength for the rear action screw. This is just a guess -- but I wouldn't rule out the first stock in your buddy's case being defective.
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That is the only reason I only own one Savage. I made a custom stock for an old 110 in 223. By the time I carved out enough wood to clear that STUPID trigger, there was hardly any wood left to support the action!
 
Can't explain the ES variation, this is usually associated with the load.

Bedding can be tricky. Some thoughts that come to mind: action screws not fully engaged, recoil lug position, improper torqueing sequence, and barrel contact with stock although it seems you rule the last issue out. I know that Weatherby and Bell and Carlson has specific torqueing requirements including sequencing the torque. In addition, they specify recoil lug positioning to the rear of the lug slot.

One other issue comes to mind - barrel condition. Savages barrels have a reputation for rough barrel internals. I never owned a Savage but a fellow shooter had problems with his until the barrel became "seasoned" with cooper then it shot very well. In other words he was cleaning it too much with intense copper solvents. It appeared that this specific barrel needed to reach "copper" equilibrium before it shot within his requirements. He was able to maintain consistent groups after the barrel was "seasoned."
 
How far do you guys free float the tang on savage? From back of the tang upto where round receiver starts or all the way upto rear action screw?
 
Daylight under the tang AND barrel. Never had issues with screw torque on a block mounted action.
That's the reason for blocks. Metal to metal so it doesn't move. And no bedding under the action either. Metal to metal mounting!!
 
ES could also be something firing pin/spring related, I've never seen ES change with a stock swap, but now it has me thinking...dammitt !!
 
A three screw action on the LRPV is very sensitive to torque values. I ended up with 35 inch-pounds on front two screws and 30 on rear screw before it settled down. An article was published on this topic on Accurate Shooter on 2-15-2011 called Tuning Savage actions using action screw torque settings.
 
Three screw savage actions are extremely sensitive to torque sequence when tightening the action screws. I had one about run me nuts thinking maybe a bad scope or mounts, something causing grief and changing every time I took the action out of the stock. Look on youtube, it has a couple of great videos on the proper way to seat the action.
 
Hey guys, I want to thank you for all the replies, but I gave you some bad information on my first post that I would like to clear up.
1. I have intentionally left out the name of the riflesmith/stockmaker that built the stock. He is very well known, and his work has been revered by both long range and F-class shooters alike. I just don't see the point in putting a guys name out there without his permission.
2. The barreled action always gave single digit ES numbers, it just never grouped in the stock.
3. The rifle stock was originally fitted with a bedding block, NOT conventional bedding as I originally posted. When it didn't shoot, he sent the stock to Georgia to have a different bedding block installed like his other stocks have.

I think you guys that talk about the tang area have hit the nail on the head. What puzzles me is that he has all Savage target actions, but the recoil lugs differ in size. He has told me on several occasions about this, and though I haven't had the opportunity to measure them personally, I have no reason to doubt his word.
Thanks again for all the input,

Lloyd
 
Probably stressing the action enough to affect the consistency of trigger response and firing pin fall.
Logical if stock is changing ES/SD.
 
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