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Bullet for Gas Gun - 300 Yards

Bully

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I'm nearing the completion of a gas gun.
.223 Wylde
Fims upper/lower
Satern 20" 1:8 w/SOCOM brake
TT trigger
Basically, all the Gucci goodies from there.

My question is: if I want to run this at 300 yards, should I look for a heavy-ish bullet or go light and fast? My current train of thought is that light and fast is the way however there is a spot @200 yards that gets a pretty good crosswind most days. 90*, L to R.
There is one match that I keep promising myself that I will shoot (I work on weekends) and I'd love to be competitive if I show up. It's a belly match, @300 yards, 20 rounds. Some pretty good shooters show up for nothing more than bragging rights.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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I vote fast light flat base. When I first started longer range shooting I always went for heavy high bc bullets and wondered why anyone would use light bullets. Fast forward a few years I figured out that flat base bullets work for close in. In the matches I go to that we shoot 2-300 yards with an AR they are dominated by guys shooting flat base. 55gr v-max, 52 gr barts or bergers would be my pick
 
Since this is an 8tw I'll assume it's likely throated fairly long-ish for the heavier bullets so the lighter and shorter bullets will be jumping quite a ways to the lands. Doesn't mean the lighter/shorter bullets won't shoot well but when looking for the best accuracy they may not be your best choice.
 
If it's a prone match, is this single feed only? Or do the rounds need to be magazine length?

I did pretty well for myself shooting the 80 gr Sierra for 600 yards slow prone and for midrange prone matches, but after shooting a few hundred Hornady 80 ELD's last year, I'm a convert. They might be a little more finicky to tune, but they shoot great once you find the sweet spot.

For magazine length, hard to go wrong with Hornady 73 ELD or 68/75 BTHP, Sierra 69 or 77 smk, or others in that weight range. Most any of them will clean a 300 yard target.
 
At 300 yards, prone, assuming single loading, the Sierra 80gr SMK would be among the best choices.
Berger makes an 80.5 'full bore' bullet that might be better - would depend on your muzzle velocity and altitude, so would take some experimenting with.
I think the SMK 80 gr would be the 'easy button' for your application - it's 'time honored' in NRA high power matches in the prone slow stage.
 
In Service Rifle competition, the 300 yard stage is for rapid prone.
The aiming black is always approximately 6 MOA, but the 10 and X rings are in rough terms 2 MOA and 1 MOA. That is for a forced magazine change and 10 rounds in 70 seconds.

It is typical to have to pay attention to wind at 300 yards. It doesn’t take much to move a well centered group out into the 9 ring on this stage.

I’m not sure what the standards or goals are for your game, but it takes fair quality ammo to keep things inside the X ring in Service Rifle at 300 yards. If you make or buy good quality ammo, you won’t have many excuses for straying outside of 1 MOA at 300... until there is wind and then you will want something more like those SMK 69 to TMK 77 to stay in the game.

A Berger 50 flat base going 3100 will move 4.33 MOA at 300 in a full value 10 MPH wind. The 77 OTM at 2750 is only 2.9 MOA. That just gets worse the farther out you go in wind.

Are you shooting from a sling or more like F-Class? Is there always wind?
 
It is rare that a lighter, lower BC bullet can be driven sufficiently faster than a heavier, higher BC bullet to overcome the BC deficit. Not impossible, but pretty rare. Given that, there are also the very important considerations of twist rate, chamber freebore length, and whether loading to mag length is a necessity. Your 8-twist barrel will effectively stabilize bullets up to the ~80-ish gr weight range. However, it is unlikely you can load these optimally with a COAL limited to mag length. If you aren't limited to mag length COAL, the Berger 80.5 Fullbore bullet would be an excellent choice. I have developed a solid load with this bullet in a .223 Rem bolt rifle with zero freebore by using H322, which is a slightly faster powder than you might normally choose for an 80.5 gr bullet in .223 Rem, and one that has very small kernels. I'd typically recommend something in the burn rate range of H4895 to Varget, or thereabouts. However, you need to be able to fit sufficient powder in the case, so it would help to have a chamber with slightly longer freebore to accomodate the longer and heavier ~80-ish gr bullets with these powders, which have noticeably larger kernels than H322. Nonetheless, they would be your best bet with the barrel twist rate you have, as long as the rifle freebore and necessary COAL will also work.

If the rifle is throated relatively short, and/or you need to load at mag length COAL, you would probably be better off going with a bullet at or below 77 gr. There are a few choices that seem to work pretty well, such as 77 SMKs, Berger's 70-75 gr offerings, Hornady's 75 gr BTHP, and Nosler's new 70-75 gr RDF bullets. These bullets are short enough (OAL) to be loaded to mag length with a variety of powders, yet have BCs that will provide reasonable external ballistics for your 300 yd match. All would work well with an 8-twist barrel.

The bottom line is that you need to consider any limitations in COAL (i.e. mag length, yes/no?), how the rifle is throated (i.e. from zero freebore, out to possibly as much as .062" freebore, or thereabouts), and what powders you actually have available, and then use that info collectively to determine the best possible combination(s) to try. As a general approach, I would suggest trying the heaviest, highest BC bullet you can effectively load optimally within those specific considerations. Pushing light .224" bullets fast doesn't buy you very much forgiveness at all at 300 yd against competitors using heavier, higher BC bullets, or even larger calibers, such as .308 Win. Having shot 300 yd F-TR matches for a number of years using both .223 Rem and .308 Win bolt rifles, I have a pretty good feel for what it takes to be "competitive" with a .223 Rem if there's much wind at all, and bullets lighter than 69-70 gr are really not best choice IF you can make a heavier, higher BC bullet work. If you can't, then in order to participate in the match you obviously have to load whatever you can.
 
I'm nearing the completion of a gas gun.
.223
Fims upper/lower
Satern 20" 1:8 w/SOCOM brake
TT trigger
Basically, all the Gucci goodies from there.

My question is: if I want to run this at 300 yards, should I look for a heavy-ish bullet or go light and fast? My current train of thought is that light and fast is the way however there is a spot @200 yards that gets a pretty good crosswind most days. 90*, L to R.
There is one match that I keep promising myself that I will shoot (I work on weekends) and I'd love to be competitive if I show up. It's a belly match, @300 yards, 20 rounds. Some pretty good shooters show up for nothing more than bragging rights.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
I've used several combinations:

77 SMK
23.8 gr. RE-15
Rem 7.5 BR primer
LC case

73 ELD-M
24 gr. Varget
Rem 7.5 BR primer
LC case

55 gr. Midway USA "Dogtown"
25 gr. Varget
CCI-400
Federal Cartridge case

Don't overthink it - go with what ever components you can get right now, and start shooting!
 
would depend on your muzzle velocity and altitude, so would take some experimenting with.
As far as I know I can shoot from a mag and/or single load. It's not a NRA/official match so the rules are a bit loosey-goosey. It's also somewhat of a tactical style match.
I will be off a bi-pod, most likely a Sinclair "Tactical" as a bi-pod that folds is a requirement.
I'll be checking velocity as soon as I can. Probably about a month for it to come back from paint. I live about 300 feet above sea level.

Chamber is a 223Wylde.

I have a bunch of Varget and some CFE223 and 600ish of the older 68gn SMK. I guess I can start there and see what that gets me.
Is there always wind?
Not always, no. Kinda spotty.
 
Cool. Single loading you could use Berger 80.5 gr 'full bore'.
Looking at Hodgdon's reloading data for 80 gr bullet and the fact you are at 300 ft, assuming you can find an accuracy node at 2650 fps or more, the Berger 80.5 will shoot 'inside' a Sierra 80 SMK by ~ 1/4 MOA.
Using the 69 gr SMK would be a great place to start. CFE223 or Varget are known to work well in 223 Wylde chambers with bullets in this weight range.

Good luck!
 
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Cool. Single loading you could use Berger 80.5 gr 'full bore'.
Looking at Hodgdon's reloading data for 80 gr bullet and the fact you are at 300 ft, assuming you can find an accuracy node at 2650 fps or more, the Berger 80.5 will shoot 'inside' a Sierra 80 SMK by ~ 1/4 MOA.
Using the 69 gr SMK would be a great place to start. CFE223 or Varget are known to work well in 223 Wylde chambers with bullets in this weight range.

Good luck!
CFE223 is also a great powder just watch the ambient temps. It's no where near as temp stable as Varget. I've seen some pretty big pressure swings with that when out in the heat hog hunting. Benchmark and Varget are very reliable and predictable.
 
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CFE223 is also a great powder just watch the ambient temps. It's no where near as temp stable as Varget. I've seen some pretty big pressure swings with that when out in the heat hog hunting. Benchmark and Varget are very reliable and predictable.
Thank you. Duly noted.
 

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