6.5 cm load too hot. what now?
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I’m thinkin Howa must make one hell-uv a strong action!
we bout to light up some cigars , stand over the powder scale and find out ( :
if i read right, its a weatherby vanguard action?
I enjoy a good smoke myself, just not when I'm weighing powder. Lol
Let me know how much charge was off if at all.
Which is a Howa production.
joshb
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I’ll tell you two stories:
Early on, I was working up a load for my 308 Remington 5R. I found a good load. A little warm, with the bullet way out, touching the lands. I pushed a few bullets back to magazine length, just to see haw they’d shoot. The first one I fired locked up everything. What I had done was reduce case volume and increased pressure beyond safe levels.
A couple years ago, I built a custom 6br on a Tikka action. I had it throated to shoot Sierra 85 grain bullets. I loaded a 100 test rounds , by the book,for that weight bullet. The first round fired (three grains below max) fired hot and locked up the bolt. I stopped!
The gun tells you what it likes. Don’t argue with results. Look for mistakes....sure....but heed the results! Back it down!
Early on, I was working up a load for my 308 Remington 5R. I found a good load. A little warm, with the bullet way out, touching the lands. I pushed a few bullets back to magazine length, just to see haw they’d shoot. The first one I fired locked up everything. What I had done was reduce case volume and increased pressure beyond safe levels.
A couple years ago, I built a custom 6br on a Tikka action. I had it throated to shoot Sierra 85 grain bullets. I loaded a 100 test rounds , by the book,for that weight bullet. The first round fired (three grains below max) fired hot and locked up the bolt. I stopped!
The gun tells you what it likes. Don’t argue with results. Look for mistakes....sure....but heed the results! Back it down!
wkdickinson
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It's interesting how most everyone is telling this new guy about all the tools he needs (me included). But in thinking back, I shot NRA High-Power seriously for 10 years in the 80's & 90's, without most of the stuff that is now "required". I'm not sure a lot of it was even available back then. I loaded my 308 and 30-06 rounds with the "max" loads from the Sierra manual, at their prescribed OAL. I always used Fed 210M primers and for 308 used mostly H380 (I got a deal on a big bunch of surplus WC852) and 2520. For 30-06, which later I shot most long-range, was H4350, but early on across-the-course was 4895 and 4064.
I set my sizing dies up like RCBS told you to, used an RCBS beam scale (with no standard) and an RCBS Uni-flow powder measure and I threw every charge. I did buy a gauge from Sinclair to measure the max case length, a Wilson "case-length" gauge, both for my 308 and another Sinclair gauge to measure "to-the-lands" for long-range ammo. But really, other than that I just loaded, shot an ultimately earned and NRA Master classification, all with two M70 Winchester Match rifles.
Today I only shoot off a bench (our club has a G-class, same as F-class, but shot from a bench) and I have all of the tools discussed and more and I use them religiously. Do they make a difference - yes, I am sure they do. But at 67 it's becoming harder to tell the short comings of the rifle from those of the shooter.
My point is - I think on this forum we over complicate reloading, for beginners. Which is understandable because this is the premier source for accuracy/precision information on the web. So it's kind of like a college freshman being put in a class for doctoral candidates.
I set my sizing dies up like RCBS told you to, used an RCBS beam scale (with no standard) and an RCBS Uni-flow powder measure and I threw every charge. I did buy a gauge from Sinclair to measure the max case length, a Wilson "case-length" gauge, both for my 308 and another Sinclair gauge to measure "to-the-lands" for long-range ammo. But really, other than that I just loaded, shot an ultimately earned and NRA Master classification, all with two M70 Winchester Match rifles.
Today I only shoot off a bench (our club has a G-class, same as F-class, but shot from a bench) and I have all of the tools discussed and more and I use them religiously. Do they make a difference - yes, I am sure they do. But at 67 it's becoming harder to tell the short comings of the rifle from those of the shooter.
My point is - I think on this forum we over complicate reloading, for beginners. Which is understandable because this is the premier source for accuracy/precision information on the web. So it's kind of like a college freshman being put in a class for doctoral candidates.
dellet
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I loaded a lot of rounds when all of my equipment including a box of bullets and a pound of powder fit in a boot box.
Think about how many rounds have been loaded without a scale using Lee dippers.
It does require a certain amount of book work, and that part has not changed, but is often the first ignored,
thanks everyone. wagonman helped me figure out that.. everything with the load was correct, except that I used the wrong powder 
i put 5744 in.
he took the time to show me everything, which gave me a good idea how much i have to learn. It might have taken a few years off his life tho, when he ran a bore scope thru my barrel and saw what a rifle thats never been cleaned looks like.
i put 5744 in.he took the time to show me everything, which gave me a good idea how much i have to learn. It might have taken a few years off his life tho, when he ran a bore scope thru my barrel and saw what a rifle thats never been cleaned looks like.
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hpshooter
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thanks everyone. wagonman helped me figure out that.. everything with the load was correct, except that i used the wrong powder
he took the time to show me everything, which gave me a good idea how much i have to learn. It might have taken a few years off his life tho, when he ran a bore scope thru my barrel and saw what a rifle thats never been cleaned looks like.
A lesson learned and a good resource found. Thank you for being forth-wright and letting us know what generated the problem. Fortunately you didn't accidentally load a fast pistol powder like Bullseye or 231.
The same thing has happened to experienced re loaders , check and double check and have only the correct powder on the loading bench.
Shoot safely and shoot often!
Adam in WI
Practically lives here
You found out you have a capable mentor nearby. All's well that ends well.
jake mistook his bottle of 5744 for 4451 and had 40.0 gr in 5 cases we pulled, holding that mangled case in my hands, he had angles watching over him. checked and no go gauge wont let the bolt close, the lugs look unfazed, hes full of questions. found out rifle barrels need cleaning, gave him extra cleaning rod brushes, jag, solvents, patches, made him clean his barrel, bore scoped before and after. tomorrow we load ammo hes thankful for all the patience you guys have giving him
he had a brain fart that will never hopefully happen again bettin pressure was close to 90,000psi maybe some one could run quick load , fed case 40gr acc 5744, barnes 140gr barnes match burners col 2.800
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Glad hes ok. That gun is scrap now btw. Id magnaflux the action and replace the barrel if the action checks out.
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