Cutting Edge 22LR Ammo Is Here
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Primed cases and bullets only, NOT ammo.
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Primed (spun) brass cases and copper turned bullets. Load info. Also die set.
See https://cuttingedgebullets.com/curx-...r-bundle-200ct
See https://cuttingedgebullets.com/curx-...r-bundle-200ct
The Cutting Edge website says 200 bullets and 200 primed cases is $70. That works out to $17.50 per 50 rounds, not including powder (very little required).
The next step is to load them as consistently as match ammo, precisely crimped and concentrically seated, with consistent base-to-ogive lengths. If everything goes well in this process, and muzzle velocities are at least consistent as the match ammo makers make their top level ammos, this will cost very close to what Tenex or Midas does.
If MV's are less consistent, even bullets with a better BC may not be able to outperform match ammo that costs about the same. A higher MV would help mitigate a wide ES, but there are limits to what can be produced with the .22LR casing characteristics.
A further concern if higher MV's are possible is that it's not clear how this bullet will behave in the transonic zone, 890ish fps to about 1340 fps. Match .22LR ammo never exceeds this range, and is relatively insensitive to turbulence within it.
The next step is to load them as consistently as match ammo, precisely crimped and concentrically seated, with consistent base-to-ogive lengths. If everything goes well in this process, and muzzle velocities are at least consistent as the match ammo makers make their top level ammos, this will cost very close to what Tenex or Midas does.
If MV's are less consistent, even bullets with a better BC may not be able to outperform match ammo that costs about the same. A higher MV would help mitigate a wide ES, but there are limits to what can be produced with the .22LR casing characteristics.
A further concern if higher MV's are possible is that it's not clear how this bullet will behave in the transonic zone, 890ish fps to about 1340 fps. Match .22LR ammo never exceeds this range, and is relatively insensitive to turbulence within it.
Is that sample a total of three shots with MVs of 1039, 1045, and 1046 fps? If it is only three, that's not a sufficiently large sample size on which to hang one's hat.
It’s 5 Shots. That’s generally how my load development is done.
I haven’t shot a ten shot string over the magnetospeed. This is not with these bullets but with my own. At some point I might shoot a longer string over it. This load proved to be stable showing a 5.6sd during a previous session.
The point I’m trying to make is that it’s attainable. Not my specific numbers1Merlin
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Geno with the greatest respect. Nothing inferred by this but attainable with/for a 3-5 shot sample is not a particularly lofty goal. If you are shooting cards you need consistent ammunition for that number of shots. The reason the 6X5 posting are respected as a true gauge of accuracy with a rifle is that they demonstrate consistency. A post of a single target group is not generally thought of as "proof of performance" but may - or may not be - an aberration and not a true indicator of a realistic accuracy potential. Show 30 or 50 shots and see where the SD is and if it is better than Midas Plus or Tenex it will be much more impressive in my view.
Again no disrespect intended or inferred. Just my thoughts.
Again no disrespect intended or inferred. Just my thoughts.
I’m aware of the reason places like snipershide like the 6x5. That’s perfectly fine. Once all my testing is done and I’ve settled on a load, I may possibly shoot A large batch over the magneto. I’ve shot enough of my bullets with enough different loads to know what it’s capable of.
To think that hand loaded ammunition would be able to meet or surpass the consistency of factory loaded is silly. What other round would anyone not be laughed at for even suggesting it? A simple test you can do yourself to see the inconsistency in factory ammo is, pull apart a box of ammo and weigh the charges. Pretty easy to see the first place there can be improvement.
I have one barrel being tested with my bullet that is starting with a .005” jam. It can be done. I’m curious about your “full jam” are you saying the rifling is touching the case mouth?
While the amount of powder seems like one obvious part, what other factors go into differences between loads you make?
Not to be argumentative, with regard to hand loaded ammunition vs factory loaded consistency, there's relevant information in a Dec. 31, 2015 report in precisionrifleblog.com. A survey of the top 100 shooters in the Precision Rifle Series over four years showed that about 90% of them used handloads. One top ten finisher used factory loads. (See Reloading Like A Pro - Tips From Top Precision Rifle Shooters - PrecisionRifleBlog.com)
While factory ammo has improved considerably over the years, handloading centerfire can produce good ammo.
Just to be clear, is your theory that factory ammo is better than hand loaded ammunition, or just that factory ammunition is good enough that it isn’t worth the added effort for your purposes?
linebaugh
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I predict that you better buy this for a keepsake as it will be history when the initial inventory is gone. And to be honest I am actually intrigued by it but you need to wonder...
Where will this be allowed in competition?
Who wants to load for a 22 rimfire?
What gains are there to be had, if they dont produce consistent .5 MOA groups to 100 yards there is not enough gain to be worth the effort.
Who is going to pay to gear up and for the extra cost associated with reloading and components.
Again, I do enjoy the idea but the practicality makes the whole endeavor very low probability.
Where will this be allowed in competition?
Who wants to load for a 22 rimfire?
What gains are there to be had, if they dont produce consistent .5 MOA groups to 100 yards there is not enough gain to be worth the effort.
Who is going to pay to gear up and for the extra cost associated with reloading and components.
Again, I do enjoy the idea but the practicality makes the whole endeavor very low probability.
I’m my testing, i change powders, charge weights and brass types. I am also testing different barrel lengths and bore abs groove configurations.
As for your last sentence; handloading produces the BEST, ammo. There is a reason matches of accuracy are not won with factory loaded ammo.
I have no experience with the cutting edge bullet so I cannot attest to their accuracy but I have little doubt that they can be loaded to extremely precise levels
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