Rem 700 extractor repair options

[codybrown]

I have a rifle that popped out the extractor and broke off the lip that retains it. From the research I've done, it looks like I'll need to get it converted over to a different style extractor? Appears that my choices appear to be a Sako style or mini-16? Am I correct in my assumption?

 

[jdh47]

There have been any discussions about it. The Sako is ok but can be problematic if you have a high pressure situation. It can break apart and migrate back down the raceway. Sako used a block that prevents that from happening. The mini 16 is pinned and doesn't have that problem. I'd go with the mini 16.

 

[codybrown]

That's what I've read about the Sako style so I'm leaning toward the mini 16 for obvious reasons. Any recommendations for a good smith to do it?

 

[carlsbad]

Much prefer the sako and sako is your only option on 223. Sako is lighter and smoother going over the rim. That said, m-16 style works too. I've also read the stories on the sako. I hope never to blow up my rifle. --Jerry

 

[butchlambert]

Much prefer the sako and sako is your only option on 223. Sako is lighter and smoother going over the rim. That said, m-16 style works too. I've also read the stories on the sako. I hope never to blow up my rifle. --Jerry

Jerry, I've read the stories, but know of the accidents personally.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Don't think the mini 16 will be better than a sako in a case head separation. The mini 16 has a whole lot more extractor exposed in the port and it breaks away too. Kelbly's used to be against the sako, but now its their standard extractor just like Borden and Bat.

 

[codybrown]

Much prefer the sako and sako is your only option on 223. Sako is lighter and smoother going over the rim. That said, m-16 style works too. I've also read the stories on the sako. I hope never to blow up my rifle. --Jerry

The rifle is chambered in 220 swift if that makes a difference.

I bought the rifle second hand, and it has an aftermarket barrel on it. I've full length sized brass and trimmed it to length, but I'm still getting stuck cases and hard to chamber rounds. Shooting 34.5gr of IMR4064 under a 52gr bullet so I'm under max loads, and no signs of pressure.

Not sure what's going on, but now I'm at a standstill until I get the bolt repaired.

 

[carlsbad]

220 swift has a 308 rim diameter so you can go with either extractor you prefer.

 

[boltfluter]

Borden is now going with a hook type extractor to get away from the Sako. Liability being what it is these days. I personally will not install a Sako, for the same reason.

Paul

 

[carlsbad]

Borden is now going with a hook type extractor to get away from the Sako. Liability being what it is these days. I personally will not install a Sako, for the same reason.

Paul

Paul, where did you see that? His website still says sako and all the actions I bought from him are sako. Even if he changes now, he will have a lot of sakos out there for the rest of his life. I hope he isn't losing sleep worrying about what a nefarious lawyer may do. -Jerry

 

[boltfluter]

Paul, where did you see that? His website still says sako and all the actions I bought from him are sako. Even if he changes now, he will have a lot of sakos out there for the rest of his life. I hope he isn't losing sleep worrying about what a nefarious lawyer may do. -Jerry

Jerry, I spoke with Jim about 6 months ago and he said this is the direction he is going. This litigious world is a pain, with people not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions.

Paul

 

[centershot]

If you go with the Sako, Talk to your gunsmith first and ask how he is going to do it. A guy installed one on my Remington 700 in .223. He said that he had to open up the bolt face to mill in the slot for the extractor and then installed a reducing ring on the bolt face for the .223. Not sure how he held the ring in place, but it came loose more than once. Sold the rifle after it was "repaired".

 

[codybrown]

If you go with the Sako, Talk to your gunsmith first and ask how he is going to do it. A guy installed one on my Remington 700 in .223. He said that he had to open up the bolt face to mill in the slot for the extractor and then installed a reducing ring on the bolt face for the .223. Not sure how he held the ring in place, but it came loose more than once. Sold the rifle after it was "repaired".

From what I've seen they silver solder the bushings in place.

 

[DaveTooley]

Silver solder is best. Early on I epoxied some in with no problems.
The bottom line is if you're looking into the loading port and have a case rupture, you have big problems regardless which extractor you use.

 

[carlsbad]

If you go with the Sako, Talk to your gunsmith first and ask how he is going to do it. A guy installed one on my Remington 700 in .223. He said that he had to open up the bolt face to mill in the slot for the extractor and then installed a reducing ring on the bolt face for the .223. Not sure how he held the ring in place, but it came loose more than once. Sold the rifle after it was "repaired".

Centershot,
I can't keep track of the forum handles for everyone I do work for but I searched my conversation history and didn't find your name so I'm pretty sure I didn't install the sako you are referring to. However, I hope that if anyone ever has any problem such as this with anything I install that they will return it to me for repair at no charge and a sincere apology.

You have described the standard method for installation of a sako (or M-16). The ring should never come loose.

--Jerry

 

[pdhntr]

Centershot,
I can't keep track of the forum handles for everyone I do work for but I searched my conversation history and didn't find your name so I'm pretty sure I didn't install the sako you are referring to. However, I hope that if anyone ever has any problem such as this with anything I install that they will return it to me for repair at no charge and a sincere apology.

You have described the standard method for installation of a sako (or M-16). The ring should never come loose.

--Jerry

Jerry,

Do you silver solder the bushing or epoxy?

Thanks.

Jim

 

[carlsbad]

silver solder.

While silver solder is much stronger than epoxy, it is much easier to get it wrong. Cold solder joints come apart. Epoxy is fairly straightforward.

 

[Edd]

I have a rifle that popped out the extractor and broke off the lip that retains it. From the research I've done, it looks like I'll need to get it converted over to a different style extractor? Appears that my choices appear to be a Sako style or mini-16? Am I correct in my assumption?

Here is one option.

GUNSMITHING SERVICES: AR-15/M-16 Extractor installation

The AR-15 /M-16 extractor upgrade for an M700 bolt is a very popular and almost required service for several applications. When working with magnum bolt face cartridges, the AR-15/M-16 extractor is almost a must-have as the riveted factory piece is prone to be problematic. The AR-15/M-16...

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[carlsbad]

Edd, You got it right. However, you didn't say what size face your bolt has. I don't install M-16 style on 223 size cases because to mill deep enough, you either get into the firing pin channel or very close to it. I have heard of a couple that do. most, like me, don't.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Just send it to carlsbad and let him fix it. No need in trying to figure out what he should do, just let him fix it like he wants to and itll be done right