Sad Day for 2A
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Gina claims to support the 2A then votes for the party that comes up with trash like HR5717.
The 2nd Amendment has never been about wabbit hunting OR benchrest shooting.
Yes, I had forgotten about them talking his shotgun away.
In my mind though he will always have that ole double barrel.
outasite`08
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The House Bill HR5717 was written by and introduced by Hank Johnson GA ,he is the genius that said the island of Guam might capsize if too many Marines were sent there. Jeff
It just makes you wonder how people with that much sense get in a government office
It is done by people with equal sense, voting for them.
Well them Lefty’s are sure freakin happy Now!
Retired Grunt
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If we don't stand together, we'll be ripped apart.
I don't know if God is concerned with what we do, but it's easy for me to believe that, if He does, He cares about unborn babies.
In CA the voting age just got lowered to 17. Maybe if we lower the voting age enough, the unborn will finally have a say about their future.
Nope. Only deceased people's votes count, not the unborn.
How disgusting does a person have to be with an ideology that it is a "right" to kill and unborn baby then turn around and try to claim it is inhumane to terminate the life of a murderous convict?
Whether it is the 2nd Amendment, or any other, there is no reasoning with these people. Their standards are fluid and discriminatory. They call themselves progressive, I call them twisted and pitiful.
One of the things that frustrates me is this is not only a MAJOR assault on the 2nd Amendment, it's a MAJOR assault on the 4th Amendment. "You shall be secure in your person...". It's also an assault on the 5th amendment in that you have the right not to criminalize yourself by declaring what guns you have and what guns you want to buy.
Think about that! Three of the ten "Bill of Rights" are under assault! All in the name of "it just makes sense." It makes no sense. And it's more than just a loss of our 'Arms'.
One of the best legacies Trump will be leaving, if he has to leave, is that the SCOTUS is now staffed by people who BELIEVE in the Constitution of The United States.
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The word "liberal" has indeed been hijacked to mean precisely the opposite of what it has traditionally meant. In the context of politics the word "liberal" has become synonymous with the word "statist". Though many self styled "liberals" would argue violently that they are not statists, the reality is that the public policy of the left (those who have hijacked the word liberal) advocates for centralized government control and extraordinary limits on individual liberty. Odd when a liberal is a person who supposedly believes in liberty and strong central government and liberty are mutually exclusive.
In the context of economics, likewise the word liberal has been hijacked. Prior to Adam Smith the means of production were owned by the ruling classes. The masses were serfs or slaves whose livelihood depended on the whims of that ruling class. The left today advocates for the return of economic control to the ruling classes, said classes being strong central government which has become a political aristocracy across much of the western world. A gentleman named F.A. Hayek wrote a book called "The Road to Serfdom". The left has placed us all on that road. We are returning to a time where we will all once again become serfs. That road runs in the opposite direction of the word liberal.
There are three possible explanations I see for how fundamental truths have been co-opted. One is ignorance. The educational system no longer teaches the history of human thought and achievement. The products of that educational system have no idea of what has been discussed and tried in the past. Two is stupidity. Let's face it, some people are just too stupid to assimilate facts even if spoon fed to them. The devolution of man is real, we see it every day. The peak of the IQ bell curve appears to have dropped below 100. Many do not realize that the movie "Idiocracy" was actually a documentary. Three would be sinister intent. There are those who do know what they are doing. They create a false narrative aimed solely at the acquisition of power. These people would slit their own grandmothers throats to gain power. We know who these people are. We see them on the MSM daily.
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I do, because it's the party I agree with. How anyone who expects any sort of change for the better continues to vote for the same two parties is beyond me. If enough voters bleed to the independents, the big two will have to re-platform or be forced to compete.
I'd not be surprised to find out that the Dem and Rep leadership get together and plan the next season of soap opera-like entertainment for the general public at regular intervals. They manufacture all the drama and quietly continue to enrich themselves. They don't actually fight each other; they need to collaborate and collude with each other to keep the charade alive.
Doesn't matter what your values are or what you believe in - they've figured out the line to walk that keeps you angry but still marching to their drums.
If times were peaceful and prosperous politicians wouldn't be noticed.
The more trouble there is within the populace, the more relevant politicians become. People should never think that for one moment politicians care about citizens at large. You can link that to the media train as well. I'll bet their numbers of viewership are soaring. They love stuff like this (Covid, civil disorder, partisan politics) no matter how it turns out.
I vote that way too. I align more with conservative values than Lib, but I dislike both parties.
I have always advocated for voting for one of the 2 main parties and have encouraged everyone I know personally to do so. While many will say it's "the lesser of two evils" way to go, I have maintained while you may fully agree with a 3rd party platform and candidate, they have zero chance of winning and a vote for them is a throw away vote. I've maintained that while you don't want candidate A, you don't want candidate B even more and a vote for C that doesn't have a chance of winning is in effect a vote for the candidate you want the least. Or at best the same as not voting. While a "protest vote" may seem the right thing to do, nobody in any position of power cares.
HOWEVER...watching this election and how easily votes can be stolen and created out of thin air...I'm thinking a third party vote may be the way to go. What have we got to loose?
If you look at elections from history, there were a bunch of parties and candidates. I think an election with half a dozen parties, given current circumstances, would be inherently more fair and open than the 2 party system.
I'd respectfully disagree. My point is that if the Reps lose 10% of their base to Libertarians and/or Tea Party, then they need to compete to try and draw those votes back in. Same with Dems and the Green party. If they lose too many votes to the independents, then they can't win and they have to compete. Usually that competition is a re-platforming to better align with the independent party that is bleeding their base.
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