Looking for 22 VarTarg Turbo data

[RonS]

Last year I purchased a Rem 700 chambered in 22 VTT with dies at an estate sale. I’ve been trying to find data for this round with no luck. If someone can point me in the right direction with powders and stuff it would be greatly appreciate. My barrel is 25” long with a 12 twist...

 

[B23]

With the 20VTT and the 20-222 using the same parent case and having virtually the same case capacities any reasonable load data for one should put you real close with the other.

H322 has always been a crowd favorite in the 222 case and that is the powder I use in my 20-222 with 40gr Berger's. My load is relatively moderate and don't quote me on this but if I recall I'm using 22.5gr H322 with those 40gr Berger's. I'll look to make sure that's right and get back to you but I'm pretty sure that's correct.

 

[snert]

I would call Todd Kindler. Woodchuck Den.

 

[Tommie]

You basically own a .222 Rem. Load accordingly.

 

[ricco1949]

Western Powder has data on the 20 VT Turbo online.

 

[nakneker]

32 grain v-max shows A max of 22.5 grains of H-4198 and 22.7 of R-10x

40 rain v-max shows a max of 22.2 H-4198, 22.5 R-10x, 24.5 western exterminator and 23.8 of IMR 8208

That’s out of the Todd K. Reloading guide, The Terrific Twenties. Todd is a very nice guy who is always helpful with any questions you may have, there’s more in his reloading guide. Hope that gets you started.

 

[B23]

I just realized the OP is asking for 22 VTT load data not 20 VTT which is Todd's 20 call version based off of the 222 parent case. Soon as I read VarTarg Turbo I automatically assumed 20 VTT which is a near twin to the 20-222. Sorry about that.

RonS, if what you have truly is a 22 VTT that would pretty much be equal to the straight 222 and that load date should be a good place to start.

 

[gtl1946]

It was mentioned to call the Woodchuck Den and I would suggest asking Todd to send you a copy of the “Terrefic Twenties” . The twenty you have will only be the first of many......welcome aboard.

 

[nakneker]

I’d second getting a copy of that reloading manual. I’ve been wanting to play with a few 20s myself. I have loads of 222 brass, I love 222s But everybody that playing with that case in some form of 20 caliber always says positive things. Need to stop dreaming about it and get it done.

 

[ricco1949]

I just realized the OP is asking for 22 VTT load data not 20 VTT which is Todd's 20 call version based off of the 222 parent case. Soon as I read VarTarg Turbo I automatically assumed 20 VTT which is a near twin to the 20-222. Sorry about that.

RonS, if what you have truly is a 22 VTT that would pretty much be equal to the straight 222 and that load date should be a good place to start.

Good catch @B23..........I missed that......looks like @Tommie had it right from the get go too.

 

[DogBuster]

sooooooo

VT Turbo on a 221 FB case....Improved ?

 

[B23]

sooooooo

VT Turbo on a 221 FB case....Improved ?

No the VTT uses the 222 as its parent case but TK does his push the shoulder back to lengthen the neck and squares the shoulder off from 23 to a 30 degrees. Kinda like his VT the VTT really has no case capacity advantage over its parent case just retains the neck length but with a 30 instead of 23 degree shoulder.

 

[DogBuster]

Interesting !

 

[B23]

I'm sure this will piss all of the TD fan boys off but for me, I see zero advantage to the 20 VT over the 20-221 or the 20 VTT over the 20-222 except it costing more for dies and spending more time on brass prep and or fireforming for no advantage but that's just my opinion.

I will say, the 20 VT, 20 VTT, 20 Tactical all have cooler names than 20-222, 20-222, and 20-223 so maybe that has something to do with it.

 

[Tommie]

And the .20 caliber responses keep coming...

 

[Evan]

I'm sure this will piss all of the TD fan boys off but for me, I see zero advantage to the 20 VT over the 20-221 or the 20 VTT over the 20-222 except it costing more for dies and spending more time on brass prep and or fireforming for no advantage but that's just my opinion.

I will say, the 20 VT, 20 VTT, 20 Tactical all have cooler names than 20-222, 20-222, and 20-223 so maybe that has something to do with it.

I can't speak to the others, but the 20VT has hornady dies available for $40, so that is in fact cheaper than a 221 Bushing die with a smaller bushing if you're really trying to keep costs under control. I don't have to trim my 20VT - the brass just doesn't grow. That hasn't been my experience with 23 degree shoulder case designs, which have all needed very regular trimming. That's really the advantage you're getting with the Vartargs.


On Topic:

Reading Todd Kindler's site: http://www.woodchuckden.com/VarTarg.aspx

... have the accuracy proven 30 degree shoulder ... the 20, 22, and 6mm VarTarg Turbo have a shorter neck than the original 222.

Suggesting that the 22VTT has more capacity than a 222 and using 222 data and working up would probably yield safe results, much like when working with an Ackley Improved design. As suggested, calling Todd would probably get you better information than our speculation here.

 

[RonS]

The 22VTT uses 222 Rem cases with a 30 degree shoulder, less body tapper and a shorter neck then the parent case 222 Rem. This is why I would like to get a full length sizing dies that matches my chamber instead of the Lee die which works my brass more than necessary.

 

[Bill K]

Ron: Cost is a little higher, but quality and workmanship, along with the correct die, would be available through Whidden's. I use his FL bushing die for my 20 calibers. Give John a email or landline and talk with him about a FL sizing die for your 20 VTT. He will not be disappointed.
And copies of Kindler's data and article from his Terrific Twenties, is in the mail too you. Enjoy that rifle and caliber. Bill K

 

[snert]

THE OP IS ASKING ABOUT A 22, not 20

 

[pwdrbrn]

Well said, but the font is too small Snert