2020 NRA F-Class National Championship MATCH DIRECTOR’S BULLETIN #1

[davidjoe]

Sling up with irons like real shooters!

Lol, you guys use more gear than we do. A cart’s worth of scopes, exoskeleton suits, gloves and eye covers.

 

[D-4297]

If you got rid of the rear bag, and put it in your shoulder. You wouldn't have to worry about boards being to long and connected for a rear rest, or tracking.
Why the Hell did we have to follow the Canadians on their rules? I shoot long range precision rifle. Yes, I shoot a front rest or Bipod, But the rifle is always
in my shoulder. Make it so everybody shoots off a bipod or everyody shoots off a rest! Man up men, We are AMERICANS, and we know how to shoot. Get rid of the rear pussy bags and shoot!

Last time I checked ; PRS shooters shoot at steel plates , and F class has a 3" or 5" X-ring . Lots of difference between "Center-Mass" and "X" . And yes ! I do know what Center-Mass means .

 

[dannyjbiggs]

A few months before 2020 SWN the carpet and skinny feet were called into question at Bayou Rifles. After some discussions about it the match director decided to get a ruling from The NRA. The NRA told him via email that if you can fluff your carpet/pod pad/mat material back to its original condition following the match then you did not provide tracks for the guidance of bipod feet. This would delineate the difference between NRA rules and ICFRA.

Are you kidding me??? Send me a copy of the email, please; I'm breaking out the F-O Joypod w/Dan's feet and the light carpet!! Then again, light carpet won't work...it has be heavier pile that is fluff-outable.

 

[Medium rare]

Are you kidding me??? Send me a copy of the email, please; I'm breaking out the F-O Joypod w/Dan's feet and the light carpet!!

I am not kidding you.

 

[MatthewsCarbineCo]

Somebody mentioned Nascar and restrictor plates...
So How about making the feet requirement a ground pressure limitation. Which will give a minimum footprint the foot must meet and is easy to check with simple math and three scales..
As an example:
Wf= Weight of rifle/2 (for equal weight distribution fore and aft of CG)
BFP = BiPod foot pressure =Wf/2
This will give you pounds force on each foot.
Then make a ground pressure limitation of X- pounds per square inch of projected contact footprint.
Then impose a limitation on pressure required to move front of rifle laterally to be equal 2 x BFP...

This would allow each person to choose the size and style of foot they want to use as long as it fits within the stated limitations of. The 12" x 24" Pad size.
Everybody would be on equal footing so to speak and therefore carpet pile length and riding grooves or tracking would no longer be a point of contention.
You could still game the system in optimizing foot style and size verses coefficient of friction between foot contact and pad.
Thereby eliminating any contention of tracking by imposing the lateral force required to move rifle off point of aim limitation. Easy to check on the line with a fish scale.
F-TR restrictor plate equivalent.
Puts the skill back on shooter not external device/s

 

[MikeMcCasland]

All of us in 2021 trying to determine if our bipod/mat setup is legal. Re: Restrictor Plate

I saw ole BP1 shoot a 600-something stupid X today at 500... off a bipod/mat setup that's legal under the new rules. Careful what you wish for....

 

[BP1]

I have always shot the same mat and carpet as PJ has I don’t think it helps with a darn thing. I shot our local club match today using the mat that Ray Gross makes and shot my personal best score at 500yds. I can say without a doubt the advantages goes to RGs mat my gun tracks better and if I was off target it made it a lot easier to slide my rifle which by the way wasn’t a problem with the carpet either.

 

[Nowhere Man]

Medium Rare,

Do you have a copy of the email? Please post it here.

 

[Crow]

...using the mat that Ray Gross makes...

Like this?
https://elrhq.com/product/f-class-bipod-mat/

 

[dannyjbiggs]

Like this?
https://elrhq.com/product/f-class-bipod-mat/

I'm impressed. The length/width dimension does not seem to be provided?

Here's the deal. Assuming that its OAL is equal to that of a regular rifle shooting mat, I'm willing to go in with 3 other guys (total of 4 with me...hopefully all Alabamians) and purchase one mat. Thereafter, cross cut it into 4 equal lengths (1 part each person); with the idea of attaching those single pieces to the flap of a regular shooting mat, or some other form of appendage thereto. Comments? Takers?

Dan

P.S. Wifie dear, best cancel that 1,200 pound role of fluff-outable carpet from Burlington, it ain't gonna sell now.

 

[Lbart]

Dan, Click on "compare".
WEIGHT 3.25 lbs
DIMENSIONS 30 × 12 × 4 in

 

[avidflyer]

Dan, Click on "compare".
WEIGHT 3.25 lbs
DIMENSIONS 30 × 12 × 4 in

is that really 4inches thick?

 

[Jdne5b]

is that really 4inches thick?

No.

"This 3/8″ thick bipod mat is made by F-Class Champion and Team McMillan Shooter Ray Gross."

 

[dannyjbiggs]

Dan, Click on "compare".
WEIGHT 3.25 lbs
DIMENSIONS 30 × 12 × 4 in

Does this mean you are in on the deal, Larry? We could quickly make it an exclusice Team Berger deal? It's 3/8 " thick. Whoa...someone said 30"x12"...….every man for himself.

Dan

 

[BP1]

Like this?
https://elrhq.com/product/f-class-bipod-mat/

That would be it Steve,but you can buy the stuff to make them and save some..$$$

 

[Ned Ludd]

All of us in 2021 trying to determine if our bipod/mat setup is legal. Re: Restrictor Plate

Unfortunately, this is your brain AFTER doing all those calculations:

 

[MattPeetz]

Medium Rare,

Do you have a copy of the email? Please post it here.

he won’t post it. Some excuse will come out about why he can’t

 

[eab7-a]

Why not just let the bipod rest on the ground and there is no argument. Not trying to be smart, just wondering what's wrong with doing that.

 

[Matthew Schwartzkopf]

Several years ago F Open went through a similar situation. A shooter developed a front rest that had soft plastic instead of sand that held the fore end. The plastic device mechanically captured the fore end, and you could lift the gun directly out of the rest, but it would snap out. The shooter, when approached about the rest, provided a letter from the NRA HQ Office that said the rest was legal. Some shooters shared their concern about the rest with the HP Committee and it was deemed against the Spirit of the Rules and a rule change came from the situation.

 

[davidjoe]

Several years ago F Open went through a similar situation. A shooter developed a front rest that had soft plastic instead of sand that held the fore end. The plastic device mechanically captured the fore end, but you could lift the gun directly out of the rest and it would snap out. The shooter, when approached about the rest, provided a letter from the NRA HQ Office that said the rest was legal. Some shooters shared their concern about the rest with the HP Committee and it was deemed against the Spirit of the Rules and a rule change came from the situation.

Matt, I’m very familiar with that situation. No, it’s not revised right even now. This is an example of the Rule drafters choosing the word “may” with respect to use of a “front rest [sand] bag”, when the Committee should have used the word “must” - as that is evidently what it meant.

To this day, the Rule still has not been corrected. It still begins by saying you “may” use a front rest bag. My friend at that time, did not use a front rest “bag.” The “plastic” as you describe, was not a bag, and neither did the rules say you must use a bag in a front rest.

And no, it’s not implied that you must shoot off sand in Open. If I were to bolt on a big Atlas, and put it on wood, I am not shooting off sand, yet that is most certainly legal.

** I’m not griping Matt, just responding. Any number of folks on here myself included would gladly help in any way with thoughts on wording to make things run smooth. **