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Barnes Bullets not for sale in California

Fast14riot said:
Our last option was Cox, who flip-flopped more than catfish out of water. He was not a solid R vote. Granted, was better than Newsom, but I digress. The entire lead ban was an emotional knee-jerk reaction not too different from the straw ban based on a single video of a turtle with a straw stuck up its nose. Last I checked, the only reason to put a straw up your nose was....
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Why don't they just make littering and dumping garbage illegal instead of banning a object ?

Ohh yeah, that would mean they would have to enforce laws that make sense.

:D

I lived in Catalunya from Sept. 1988 to Jan. 1992. Just 30 miles south of Barcelona in a town called Castelldefels. At that time there was Garbage everywhere, the ditches were filled to the top with it. Dog shit, prostitutes, junkie needles in children's playgrounds etc.
Now it's the opposite. Very respectable and people like it clean and do their part to keep it that way.

What changed you ask ??
A Nationalist Government was elected that gave a shit about the future of their people !
I have an Aunt who married a Catalan and they live in Hospitalet, Barcelona. They came to Canada 2 years ago to visit and they couldn't get enough of the firearms !!
Luckily her Husband was a Marksman in the army and was very proficient in the safety aspects of firearms and was a good shooter too.
 
I find it ironic that it was the Barnes lead-free bullets that gave them one of the main excuses for banning lead bullets in the CA condor range, which was later expanded to everything. Even though the blood lead levels of the condors didn't budge one tiny bit in that condor zone, or even since the statewide ban....

Ever wonder what might have happened if Barnes refused to sell those to CA back then just to help us fight it?

Just like the legal precedent if someone claims they can make pistols with firing pins and chambers that leave an ID trace on the ammo, if nobody makes it then it isn't enforceable, but if one firm does it, then they will ban everything that doesn't have it.
 
RegionRat said:
I find it ironic that it was the Barnes lead-free bullets that gave them one of the main excuses for banning lead bullets in the CA condor range, which was later expanded to everything. Even though the blood lead levels of the condors didn't budge one tiny bit in that condor zone, or even since the statewide ban....

Ever wonder what might have happened if Barnes refused to sell those to CA back then just to help us fight it?

Just like the legal precedent if someone claims they can make pistols with firing pins and chambers that leave an ID trace on the ammo, if nobody makes it then it isn't enforceable, but if one firm does it, then they will ban everything that doesn't have it.
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I was hoping that when Maine folded their fired ammo ID database after years of maintenance and it never being used in a single case that the microstamping law here would lose some ground, but as all of us here know, this state never overturns laws, they only add more.
 
Fast14riot said:
It's not like we didn't vote that way, but when there isn't even an option for a republican on the ballot, it gets tough.
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Understood and agreed. I lived for a number of years in Kalifornia. Nonetheless, if you and others that think like you cannot convince those that don't, your 2nd Amendment rights, and likely quite a few others, may be lost for good.
 
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rr2030 said:
Yea at the expense of California shooters. They were instrumental in convincing the CA legislature led free was the way to go. If true they abandon us?
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I understand your feeling but I would support any gun related company the turns their back on states who as a whole are anti Second Ammendment. Perhaps you should find a more democracy friendly state to reside in.
 
JEFFPPC said:
I understand your feeling but I would support any gun related company the turns their back on states who as a whole are anti Second Ammendment. Perhaps you should find a more democracy friendly state to reside in.
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Thats just brilliant.

When I moved here 42 years ago this was a gun friendly state. You could purchase and own just about anything. Unfortunately, due to two cities, L A and S F the situation here has evolved. Just about half of us here are conservative, everyone I know votes, we just can't seam to get it together for some reason. So you think it's reasonable that I quit my job, loose my pension, sell my home, move to another state, abandon my children, and grandchildren then re-establish elsewhere so I can purchase fu#*ing Barnes bullets ?. Barnes, the company that lead the charge in this led free bullet laws so they could profit.

Where is the help from everyone else. If a company refused to sell their firearm related products in a specific State or States, we should ALL just stop buying from that company. Soon the word would be out and they would change their ways or fold. But it doesn't happen that way, and that is what makes it difficult for anyone living where the restrictions are.

Be sure of one thing; eventually the guns are going away. Sad but true, the anti's are slowly chipping away at it and making many small gains. Some day if I am still alive when it happens, and I hope I am not. I will just tell everyone to move somewhere else.
 
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California is a tough place to live if you are a God-fearing conservative. Things like this make it tougher, and they don't hurt the California establishment one bit. It actually plays into their anti-gun plan.

For the people who think we should all just move to another state, believe me I wish I could. Some of us are stuck here but we are trying to legitimize gun ownership and educate people about their rights and their importance. That way when our neighbors move to a conservative state, they might have a more educated and positive view of their rights and responsibilities as a citizen.

I live in CA and teach Hunter's Ed. I've done that for a lot of years. My main goal is to help legitimize hunting and gun ownership in a State where most people are completely disconnected from these. Since CA now mandates the use of non-lead for hunting (and some are working to try and make it mandatory for shooting just about anywhere in CA), this move by Barnes may really end up impacting hunting and eventually further pollute the mindset of those in CA.

Im not looking for pity and not really blaming Barnes either. Its just sad and another incremental step in the war on the 2nd that in a way, hurts us all.
 
JEFFPPC said:
I understand your feeling but I would support any gun related company the turns their back on states who as a whole are anti Second Ammendment. Perhaps you should find a more democracy friendly state to reside in.
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Some strange stuff right there....:rolleyes:
 
Ned Ludd said:
Perhaps they're providing a small incentive for law-abiding CA residents to vote differently in November.
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Do you think so? I guess if the word gets out they are no longer selling led core bullets in CA, all the liberals in S.F. and L.A. just might vote Republican. Is it possible all the Conservative voters here are voting for DemocRATS? Is it possible all the anti-gun, non shooting , non reloading liberals will get pissed off at Barnes and vote Republican ?
 
rr2030 said:
Do you think so? I guess if the word gets out they are no longer selling led core bullets in CA, all the liberals in S.F. and L.A. just might vote Republican. Is it possible all the Conservative voters here are voting for DemocRATS? Is it possible all the anti-gun, non shooting , non reloading liberals will get pissed off at Barnes and vote Republican ?
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I strongly doubt liberals will ever decide to vote in favor of using lead core bullets, or in the way you'd like them to on just about any other gun-related legislation. Unfortunately, they represent the majority in Kalifornia, and so can vote in pretty much whatever laws they like. So the choices are to A) live with it or B) move elsewhere.

In case you didn't catch it - my original response is referred to as hyperbole.
 
Fast14riot said:
There are none for components, except Prop 65 labeling. The online ordering is for loaded ammo only.
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That’s good then but when I checked on sending some I was told you could not to certain cities and towns or to prohibited persons. And that the statue considered bullets in this case the same as loaded ammunition and needed to be sent to a ffl facility. but I’m not a lawyer and and get confused reading all the sections, subsections. and paragraphs
 
This is irrelevant and some ploy by Barnes, Nothing to do with us being out voted by the liberals.

WHO SHOOTS BARNES TARGET BULLETS ????

"Nothing to see here, move along."

Edit: Dan, I don't see the info on their site. Can you link and quote it please ? - thanks
 
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