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LONG RANGE GROUND HOG GUNS

now I am not talking about 200 to say 400 yard shots.i am referring to ranges to 1000 yards or so.and there are people who shoot this far and ferther.what do you use and more or less describe the rifle and the round you use.what are your loads and most important how does it shoot.,1/4 moa or smaller at 100 or 200 yards.thank you for your imput.
gary b
 
Light to heavy. I have used the 243 out past 1000 yards on prairie dogs. I have used a 300 wsm out to 3500 yards on prairie dogs. If I was picking a 1000+ groundhog gun I think I would go with a 6.5/284 with 140-150 grain bullets. Just my .02.
 
Maddysdad -

Howdy !

After Shooting “Soyheanus Digestus “ for decades, I finally resolved to shoot one @ at least 500yd.

Killed one @ 510 on my first attempt, and was incredulous that I did not try that range; sooner. I resolved that I would try for a 1,000yd kill w/ a
dedicated 1,000yd - capable rifle/ chambering before I even had the chamber emptied of the fired case.

My 510yd kill was made shooting from a 24” Hart SS .224” cal 1-14,
chambered in my .22-35 Remington wildcat. That rifle has a straight
1.325” bull barrel.....same diam as my Wichita WBR1375 action; and Ken Burns converted 2oz trigger. The stock was originally a Bishop walnut/walnut lam. With 6.5 X 20 Leupold, the rifle weighed 17lb +.
The 510 yd shot was taken w/ the rifle after Fred Sinclair had the barrel
re-contoured to a benchrest taper, and placed the barreled action in a McMillan M-70 stock. The rifle still weighed 16lb scoped, if I recall.
The load was 41.6gr VV160 FED Magnum Rilfe Macth and prototype of Hornady’s ( then ) upcoming 55”V-Max”. Vel was an easy cruizin’
3,690fps, not max for the gun....but superbly accurate & deadly.

For my idea of a 1,000yd groundhog rifle, I chambered in my .22-35 Rem wildcat again, but using a 28” K&P SS 1-8 5-groove Palma. I went 28” thinking that was the max length I could go, and still have my 14.75” LOP
Wichita set-up fit in an “ Airglide “. Turns out, 29” woulda fit.
I shot 75”A-Max” in it exclusively, my chosen accuracy/field load being
40.5gr AA3100 FED LR Match; yielding 3,420fps. Again, not a max load;
but still one giving me great accuracy and useful terminal effects.
History repeated itself when I waited too long to try for a 1,000yd kill on a groundhog, and I moved from NE Indiana before ever taking that shot.

Now.... were I to try for that shot these days:
I have moved from using .224” cal for varmint shooting... now having gone to using 6mm. This was mostly driven by it being easier for my eyes to make out 6mm bullet holes on paper, at ranges like 300yd + .

My current go-to varmint/target rifle is the same Wichita single shot benchrest action, now w/ a Jewel 2oz; and sporting a 29” Broughton
SS 6mm 1-8 5C-rifled Palma. I made my own barrel-clamp style stock, using a thick walled extruded aluminum “I” beam... oriented as an “H” section. For end and butt stock are fashioned from composite deck board pieces. Ken Ferrel 20moa base and 4-screw rings along w/ 2X-boosted
T-36 bring gun wt up to 16lb.

The rifle is chambered in my “DEEP 6” wildcat, and would be the rifle I’d use for a 1,000yd + varmint kill; once the opportunity avails itself.
DEEP 6 has 51.2gr H2O capacity. Right now, I’d be going out the door
w/ a load of Sierra 95T-Mk over 43.7gr RL-22 and FED Large Magnum Rifle Match. I’m working on replacing RL-22 w/ either RL -23, -25; or -26.
Range trials to continue, once the range I use opens back up.

All-up, rifle wt is 16lb. Recoil w/ my chosen load is modest. I shoot the “beam” rifle w/o any recoil pad.

IMHO - a 1,000yd varmint rifle will be shot from a fixed position.
A spot likely driven-to, and not excessively hiked-to. In these circumstances.......gun wt can be rather hefty; if desired.

I think it more likely these days that my 1,000yd varmint kill will end up being made on a PD. I hope to retire this year, which would make a PD trip w/ my best friend at last plausible.

Comparing a notional .250 Savage chambered varmint rifle shooting Sierra’s .25 cal ELD-X. to one chambered in DEEP 6 shooting my load using their 95T-MK..... it’d take a rifle wt of around 25lb to keep recoil levels matched to those presented by the DEEP 6 @ 16lb ( when using rifle wt as the principal offset to recoil forces ). That would mean something like a 31” 1.375” straight bull barrel on the Wichita action, and a fairly hefty stock.

The long-ish .25 cal barrel would also be needed to give the .250-3000 chambering & bore enough Expansion Ratio to reach a velocity threshold that would give me 450 ft lb @ 1,000yd. That is an energy threshold level I use as a guide, for a groundhog rifle/ chambering applied @ any distance.

For me, shooting .300win Mag as a varmint rifle holds little appeal.
But hey....that’s just me.

YRMV.


With regards,
357Mag
357Mag
 
Maddysdad-

Some pics......

Rifle shown un-scoped, to allow better detail viewing.


With regards,
357Mag
 

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I have 2. One is a 6.5-284 shooting 140 ELDMs. The other is the 284 Win shooting 162 ELDMs. Both outstanding groundhog set ups. Low recoil and excellent accuracy. Both shoot around .5 MOA. 90% of the shots made on groundhogs at 900-1200 yards are first shot hits. Wind is the kicker out where I shoot hogs in Ohio. Luckily waiting it out usually works and allows for more one shot kills than misses. Hitting an 8"x16" groundhog sitting up on hind legs isn't that tough when it's calm. There's room for vertical error. Once wind gets up, the windage adjustment is a bit tighter.
 
300 wsm and don’t look back easy to load for. The wildcats are more work than you want to put into them and cost much more to shot. 6.5 are barrel burners in my book also.
 
Build a very nice 50 BMG and even if you don't make a solid contact, those heavy 700 grain bullets will still kill due to impact with in 3 inches. And be sure a put a very good high power scope on it, so you can see the at those ranges over 1800 yrds.
 
One nice thing about shooting groundhogs unlike prairie dogs is the number of shots you take is fractional compared to prairie dogging. I think the most shots I've taken in a season on hogs is under 200. I suppose if I lived in a target rich environment and didn't have to travel for it, I could increase that number but it's still relatively low. Burning up a barrel at the speed I would is an easy trade off. 5 years on a barrel between ground hogs, deer and just playing is pretty good barrel life. I have over 1400 rounds on my last 6.5 barrel and it's still a .5 moa gun.
 
Build a very nice 50 BMG and even if you don't make a solid contact, those heavy 700 grain bullets will still kill due to impact with in 3 inches. And be sure a put a very good high power scope on it, so you can see the at those ranges over 1800 yrds.
Not real familiar with the 50 BMG in a platform accurate enough to make or keep 1 moa out to even 1000 yards. There may be one out there even more accurate but I haven't ever heard of it. You'd need around one moa out to 1200 yards to be within 3" of a ground hog on a miss. I gotta think that's one heck of a brutal pounding being behind a 50 caliber shooting ground hogs. Sounds like something I'd love to try but not sure I wouldn't regret it at the end of the day both physically and financially.
 
I really don't like making statements that I can't back up. The one I made on the 50, I can't back up. I just haven't heard of any true precision 50 caliber rifles. At least not precision enough to make kills on rodent size critters at 1000 yards let alone 1800. They may exist and may be using the at ELR competitions but I haven't seen it yet. I'll stand corrected if they have them out there. I do know the BORS system is available and used on alot of the Barrett systems. Mostly I've seen it on the 338/375/408/416 calibers. Wicked system for sure.
 
Build a very nice 50 BMG and even if you don't make a solid contact, those heavy 700 grain bullets will still kill due to impact with in 3 inches. And be sure a put a very good high power scope on it, so you can see the at those ranges over 1800 yrds.
Not to beat this 50 BMG subject up but as interesting as it may be to set up a 50 BMG in an alfalfa field overlooking a hillside over a half a mile away launching almost 2 oz chunks of lead at pasture hogs, I think the cost to do it would sink in fast. Gotta be around 6.00-7.00 per round for a diy reloader. 30 rounds per lb of powder hurts just thinking about it.
 
The OP asked for rifles that would do the job. That is why I gave him the 50 BMG rifle and round. It will do the job and more, Now if cost is too much, then don't buy or use one.
I did not say he had to buy one, just offered a rifle/cartridge that would work, for long range shooting.
 
For chucks you will need a bullet that will anchor them at distance. I've used the A-Max in 22 and 6mm when launched from my .22-.284 and .243AI. High BC, high velocity and accurate ranging are required. Wind reading is of course a must but the velocity/BC will aid in that department. If I were to build another it would be a 6mm bore and 30" in barrel length around the Hornady 105 gr. A-Max, or what ever the new one is called, MV at 3400 fps. JMHO, and a bunch of dead chucks....
 

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