Midway-currently has free hazmat

[Sandstorm]

I don't know if we will ever really start loosing online suppliers in this high demand market. ( maby a few maby not..low overhead )
I usually cant find what I need locally or end up waiting till im close to running out...then caving an paying the hazmat fees.
I see lots of local places closing because of the online business on the other hand.

 

[MarkG]

It’s impossible for the brick and mortar small business guys to compete with the online suppliers razor thin margins. Maybe now that online guys have to collect sales tax your local gun shop might actually survive.

 

[Mark W]

It’s impossible for the brick and mortar small business guys to compete with the online suppliers razor thin margins. Maybe now that online guys have to collect sales tax your local gun shop might actually survive.

It’s not the price that drives me to make online purchases, it’s the lack of inventory on the shelves at the brick and mortar stores. I really wouldn’t mind paying a small premium to be able to walk in and pick up my purchase sometimes.

 

[Fotheringill]

Methinks we are barking up the wrong tree (sellers).

I have Brownell's Edge. For $50/year, I get free shipping. When Brownell's has a one penny Hazmat special, that is who gets my order. They might be very slightly higher on the product cost, but factor n the no shipping and virtually no hazmat fee, it looks like the best deal around.

I use Edge frequently, even on small orders, and never had a problem. Please take a look for yourself.

 

[GSS]

Anyone want to guess where the Hazmat fee goes???

I hate guessing games but would love to hear the secret on where the Hazmat Fee Goes...

OP, Thanks for sharing the TIP

I try to buy all reloading supplies local when I can and don't mind paying a reasonable higher cost for that luxury to support the brick and mortar local guys.
I typically buy in large quantities (service rifle) so more often than not it ends up being online sales to good to pass up.

My habit of staying at least 2 years ahead on all components has served me well thru tuff times of shortages over the years.

OP, Thanks again for sharing the TIP
( even tho it often doesn't seem worth the effort with some replies received )

 

[Trophied]

Hazmat fees remain in the seller's pocket. Years ago the reason for the Hazmat fee was the record keeping required by the government regulation that established it. Back then it required manual computer entries, or worse pen and paper forms, hence it was a way for the sellers to offset the cost of compliance. Some of our larger customers even had their Hazmat fees waved on everything they purchased, because the fees were not required to be remitted to any government agency, all the government was interested in was the record keeping requirement and they were not concerned about how much if any labor was required on our part. Now most everything is automated as far as receiving and shipping concerning materials batch and lot tracking and I'd wager there is little to no manual record keeping required, and companies are still collecting the Hazmat fee. There could be some manner of accounting that determines where that sits on their books, I don't know, but it does sit in the sellers pocket. I don't care that they keep it, I just think it's a little smoke and mirrors thing to make buyers think they're being subjected to another government tax (fee in other words).

 

[muleman69]

Hazmat fees remain in the seller's pocket. Years ago the reason for the Hazmat fee was the record keeping required by the government regulation that established it. Back then it required manual computer entries, or worse pen and paper forms, hence it was a way for the sellers to offset the cost of compliance. Some of our larger customers even had their Hazmat fees waved on everything they purchased, because the fees were not required to be remitted to any government agency, all the government was interested in was the record keeping requirement and they were not concerned about how much if any labor was required on our part. Now most everything is automated as far as receiving and shipping concerning materials batch and lot tracking and I'd wager there is little to no manual record keeping required, and companies are still collecting the Hazmat fee. There could be some manner of accounting that determines where that sits on their books, I don't know, but it does sit in the sellers pocket. I don't care that they keep it, I just think it's a little smoke and mirrors thing to make buyers think they're being subjected to another government tax (fee in other words).

Good info. just today I was wondering were the fees went. I always thought they went to the shipper in case of an accident.

 

[Perk]

Free hazmat but no powder ????. Perk

 

[dgeesaman]

It’s not the price that drives me to make online purchases, it’s the lack of inventory on the shelves at the brick and mortar stores. I really wouldn’t mind paying a small premium to be able to walk in and pick up my purchase sometimes.

I prefer to use a local shop and I pay 10% more, plus tax, plus 40min drive each way. The only issue is knowing what they have before I make the trip. I’ll call and make them check their shelf for 8lb’r but not for random 1lb’rs.

David

 

[Fotheringill]

BTW- Brownell's has free hazmat now.

 

[Fotheringill]

BTW- Brownells has free Hazmat now.

 

[Ralph Littlefield]

BTW- Brownell's has free hazmat now.

Free shipping also, but just until midnight tonight.

 

[kcjim]

Well there is a flip side to this: I just bought 8lb of N150 on a free hazmat deal, and the N150 was marked down to $180. Great deal: perhaps - the jug is dated January 2015.

Us short range benchrest shooters get attached to a certain year of manufacture when it comes to powder. We spend a lot of time learning its behavior in different conditions. Then we try to buy as much of that year as possible. I have been shooting N133 powder from Jan 2015 for over four years. I still have some left. I would gladly buy more N133 from Jan 2015 if I could find it.

 

[barnabus]

New guy here. There's a 'new' policy that you cannot exceed 50 lbs of hazmat items per hazmat cost. This makes group-buys less appealing.

Also, my state requires sales tax (10%) from online purchases. Most vendors enforce this while a very small number do not. This is THE major deciding factor for me as this tax often exceeds the cost of hazmat and shipping COMBINED.

Midway enforces this tax so the math is easy for me. NO-GO.

midway sucks and I wont buy anything from Lying Larry

 

[MarkG]

midway sucks and I wont buy anything from Lying Larry

Lying Larry keeps defending that grifter Wayne LaPierre. Check out the Save the Second organization. They are trying to reform the NRA.

https://www.savethe2a.org/

 

[barnabus]

Lying Larry keeps defending that grifter Wayne LaPierre. Check out the Save the Second organization. They are trying to reform the NRA.

https://www.savethe2a.org/

ill continue to support the NRA as they are the loudest voice for my gun rights. Save the second is so small they have ZERO impact on anything. they can not reform another organization...that's just laughable.They are just in it for the money like all these other tiny do nothing groups and are probably closet socialist or democrats. I saw the website and its all about how terrible the NRA is and whats all wrong. They are only helping the leftist narrative about the NRA. no thanks

 

[MarkG]

ill continue to support the NRA as they are the loudest voice for my gun rights. Save the second is so small they have ZERO impact on anything. they can not reform another organization...that's just laughable.They are just in it for the money like all these other tiny do nothing groups and are probably closet socialist or democrats. I saw the website and its all about how terrible the NRA is and whats all wrong. They are only helping the leftist narrative about the NRA. no thanks

If your support includes donating MONEY, then you can continue to fund Wayne’s lavish lifestyle including a million $ a year in base salary, high end travel and a multi-million $ retirement plan distribution. The key to real reform is replacing the Board of Directors. Out of approximately two million members only around 160,000 vote in BOD elections. Having an influence on these elections with so few members voting is not a stretch. Also, the Save the Second leadership are well known to the 2A fight not closet socialists.

 

[SPQR70AD]

Hazmat fees remain in the seller's pocket. Years ago the reason for the Hazmat fee was the record keeping required by the government regulation that established it. Back then it required manual computer entries, or worse pen and paper forms, hence it was a way for the sellers to offset the cost of compliance. Some of our larger customers even had their Hazmat fees waved on everything they purchased, because the fees were not required to be remitted to any government agency, all the government was interested in was the record keeping requirement and they were not concerned about how much if any labor was required on our part. Now most everything is automated as far as receiving and shipping concerning materials batch and lot tracking and I'd wager there is little to no manual record keeping required, and companies are still collecting the Hazmat fee. There could be some manner of accounting that determines where that sits on their books, I don't know, but it does sit in the sellers pocket. I don't care that they keep it, I just think it's a little smoke and mirrors thing to make buyers think they're being subjected to another government tax (fee in other words).

hazmat fees on smokeless powder as far as I know were started by the rotten UPS. SP was shipped for 80 years with no problem. I was in a gun store when the hazmat plan started and a UPS driver came in with a delivery and the owner a real good guy said nothing against you (the driver) but you tell your boss I am switching to FEDEX. after he left I said you still have to pay hazmat and he said UPS started it. hazmat is another way for companies to rob more off you. I get hazmat fee for propane deliveries

 

[barnabus]

yes it does include sending money. How does hating on the NRA help our cause.The NRA isn't perfect but no organization is.Maybe you should be grateful that up to this point the 2A is still around thanks to the NRA

 

[dblizzard]

If your support includes donating MONEY, then you can continue to fund Wayne’s lavish lifestyle including a million $ a year in base salary, high end travel and a multi-million $ retirement plan distribution. The key to real reform is replacing the Board of Directors. Out of approximately two million members only around 160,000 vote in BOD elections. Having an influence on these elections with so few members voting is not a stretch. Also, the Save the Second leadership are well known to the 2A fight not closet socialists.

MarkG I like your thought, I support the NRA but feel there is move for improvement. In your opinion what is the most time efficient way of becoming informed & staying informed about the BOD?