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Copper reducing agent powder

Might prove beneficial in breaking in a factory barrel. I think the purpose of the shoot one, clean shoot again, clean etc it to keep the tooling marks from filling with copper and preventing the ironing out by the bullets. Use the decoppering powder for break in and all you need do between shots is run a patch through to keep the carbon low between shots. Should really speed the process.
 
Paddyd said:
Might prove beneficial in breaking in a factory barrel. I think the purpose of the shoot one, clean shoot again, clean etc it to keep the tooling marks from filling with copper and preventing the ironing out by the bullets. Use the decoppering powder for break in and all you need do between shots is run a patch through to keep the carbon low between shots. Should really speed the process.
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The IMR Enduron powders are touted as having copper suppressing properties as well, but CFE 223 seems unique in a couple of respects. First, it's oddly unstable in certain cartridges, for example in 6mm Rem. Hodgdon do not publish data for it, yet they do for 243 Win. Wondering why, I called Hodgdon about it and was advised "Do not try CFE 223 in 6mm Rem!"

Secondly, CFE often produces the highest velocity in the cartridges for which it is published, unless Superformance is also presented. If you want a startling example, look at Nosler's data for 22-250. Behind 40 to 55-gr bullets, CFE 223 produces higher velocities from a 24" barrel than 22-250 Ackley Improved does from any other powder in a 26" barrel! (Nosler chose not to include CFE for 22-250 AI, perhaps for instability issues.)

So CFE will likely never be seen at BR matches, but it's certainly worth trying in any cartridge for which data has been published. It could just be the ultimate prairie dog scourge.
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Ironworker said:
Few new powders out there claim they reduce copper in bbls ,how do they do that ?
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Don't really know what they add to cut down on cooper wash, but it really is not new. Winchester used it in some of their powders years ago and the military has done so for quite awhile also.
 
Holy Hodgdon worshiping!!!

As was pointed out by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot, other powder manufacturers also make copper reducing powder.
Alliant has had it since at least the Enduron line.
Ever heard of RL26? Or RL23?
How about Alliants Power Pro line?
AR Comp?

Sheesh....
 
Ironworker said:
Few new powders out there claim they reduce copper in bbls ,how do they do that ?
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Well I am not versed in what agents various one's add to reduce copper fouling. But I do know it has been done for more than a few years and some are now jumping onto the band wagon.
I believe Winchester did it way back with some of their powders, the Hodgdon with some military powders in the Korea/Viet Nam era. and in the CFE line of rifle and pistol powder now.
Also being added for sale now is Wood Chuck Den's "Dust additive"
VV ran some tests, some of which have been posted by members, and they all do seem to reduce copper fouling and make bore cleaning easier.
 
In the last 40 years we have gone from having a telephone on the wall with a rotary dial, to a handheld computer that connects to every piece of data in the entire world.

But from reading the responses on this forum, everything that could possibly be invented in the firearms industry has already been invented.

It's called TECHNOLOGY. Stuff changes.
 
urbanrifleman said:
In the last 40 years we have gone from having a telephone on the wall with a rotary dial, to a handheld computer that connects to every piece of data in the entire world.

But from reading the responses on this forum, everything that could possibly be invented in the firearms industry has already been invented.

It's called TECHNOLOGY. Stuff changes.
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I'm 52 and remember learning crude laser technology when I was a kid. So, in the same 40(or more) years, guns have changed very little but have improved. Why aren't we firing laser beams at coyotes by now?
 
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urbanrifleman said:
Maybe they don't want you having laser beams.
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My point is..neither of us do. Today's firearms, BR rifles in particular, are amazingly accurate but are archaic by contrast. Apparently, "they" don't want any of us to have them. Of course, when I was that young, the world was a different place. You could buy a gun by mail order and I'm pretty sure that if one of us could've built that laser rifle, we'd be wealthy and the gov't wouldn't have been all in our bidness about it until tax time. Times have changed but guns, not so much.
 
gunsandgunsmithing said:
I'm 52 and remember learning crude laser technology when I was a kid. So, in the same 40(or more) years, guns have changed very little but have improved. Why aren't we firing laser beams at coyotes by now?
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Let’s see... there were “communicators” in the first Star Trek TV series that are now called cell phones, then “Touch Pads” in the second Star Trek TV series that are now called tablets, the military is testing laser anti-missile systems, I’m thinking hand held versions might not be too far off! Just imagine how humane “stun” mode would be... hostiles could be neutralized without being lethal!

Edit... regrets for this post being so off topic!
 
rwj said:
Let’s see... there were “communicators” in the first Star Trek TV series that are now called cell phones, then “Touch Pads” in the second Star Trek TV series that are now called tablets, the military is testing laser anti-missile systems, I’m thinking hand held versions might not be too far off! Just imagine how humane “stun” mode would be... hostiles could be neutralized without being lethal!

Edit... regrets for this post being so off topic!
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And still today, the last day of the year 2019, we are using mechanical triggers to ignite an explosion, that incites the burning of smokeless powder, to propel a copper clad lead projectile at mundane trajectories...and we are touting bismuth, a metal, being fired down the bore to reduce copper fouling, as the next coming. And guess where a big portion of bismuth comes come...Yep, China.

Don't get me wrong...I'm a tester and tinkerer and I get excited about even small advances within our small box that we all play in. But I think we'd all like to see some REAL advancement in our toys, like we've seen in our phones and computers etc.

Hell, I'm old school myself and will likely be left behind when/if we ever see those kinds of advancements. But I can still dream and even reminisce about when we led the way on innovations. We still can!

Yes, as urban alluded to, gov't limits what mere civilians have access to, in many cases. Or, maybe that's what he was alluding to. o_O
 
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Ive seen leaps and bounds of advancements in just my 22 or so years of shooting benchrest. Think about the aggs we shot back then- now we have to have a 2 gun agg in the teens to get in the top 20. I can remember shooting the new “extreme” 322 and being a cold load the first match to blowing primers hot at lunch. I remember no 2 actions being able to share barrels and not having trigger hangers on most- even the pandas. So im in the camp of being real happy that we’ve come this far- everytime i load up some 133 or lt32 i just smile
 
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