Sweets vs. Wipe Out vs. Eliminator

[Forum Boss]

Borescope is good for evaluating your cleaning method. But the target is better.

Many people do not understand that aggressive cleaning till every molecule of the bore is gleaming may not be in your best interest.

At our club, there were many examples of guys whose on-target results and scores improved when they tempered their cleaning methods... specifically less JB, less aggressive brushing. But every barrel is different...

 

[xswanted]

I purchased all of the Wipeout products after it was recommended to me by another person. I tried them all. Eliminator smoke every single one of them. As well as the kg products wasn't even close. All you have to do is buy a bottle of the stuff and clean your Barrel then buy a bottle of Eliminator and clean your Barrel after you clean with wipe out or kg and you'll see it for yourself it doesn't take a rocket scientist study just two bottles of cleaner. Run one cleaner and then run the other it's pretty obvious when you see it

I had real similar results.

my opinion is wipeout does and okay job preventing fouling if a guy uses it every single time you shoot. Either a couple shots or a whole session. However it does not do a thorough job cleaning like Eliminator does.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Carbon( in the throat) is easy.....C4,let it sit a bit.....gone, bare metal.

I have a big bottle of C4 here. I will test this statement next.

 

[garandman]

C4 carbon remover does a great job on my rimfires... bore & throat.

 

[Tim s]

Borescope is good for evaluating your cleaning method. But the target is better.

Many people do not understand that aggressive cleaning till every molecule of the bore is gleaming may not be in your best interest.

At our club, there were many examples of guys whose on-target results and scores improved when they tempered their cleaning methods... specifically less JB, less aggressive brushing. But every barrel is different...

i wonder how many guys adapt their cleaning to rounds fired.
I have had more than one barrel maker tell me the average guy cleans too much & too aggressively.
Most SS match bbls seem to need less for a few hundred, then likely , occasional brushing with solvent for a while ultimately requiring regular brushing until they start to heat check, leading to occasional IOSSO/JB until it’s gone.
This, unless you are unlucky enough to have one that lays down copper from the get go.

 

[Liven The Dream]

Has there ever been a study as to which cleans the copper faster and more thoroughly? Any opinions on which works best? Thanks guys

To All ! If you like Sweets buy it while you can .
Otto Weber was the Importer of Sweets.
He Passed Away a couple weeks ago .

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Nope but I'd like to. Is it sold anywhere in particular you might recommend or should I just find the website and go from there?

I usually get it from brunos or benchrite at a match.

 

[urbanrifleman]

i wonder how many guys adapt their cleaning to rounds fired.
I have had more than one barrel maker tell me the average guy cleans too much & too aggressively.
Most SS match bbls seem to need less for a few hundred, then likely , occasional brushing with solvent for a while ultimately requiring regular brushing until they start to heat check, leading to occasional IOSSO/JB until it’s gone.
This, unless you are unlucky enough to have one that lays down copper from the get go.

Some guys on this board clean every 20 rounds and some clean every 200.

That is where the confusion lies... one guy says "I run 5 patches and its clean, you are over cleaning!!" Another guy says "I did what that guy said and my barrel is still filthy" (because he shot 200 rounds).

This whole discussion is filled with confusion and pointing fingers "you are going to ruin your barrel!!!"

 

[Hntndad]

I don’t know about ruining your barrel but Once Upon A Time...I was at my local favorite shooting store and I came across the Montana Extreme 50.. I used to use sweets for copper and thought to myself - “self... I wonder what that stuffs like?” From what I can remember, I very casually opened the bottle.. held it somewhere in the vicinity of my nose.. and took a good whiff. The painful burning I felt in the back of my head and the uncontrollable tears is all I can remember about the rest of that evening..

 

[AckleymanII]

Eliminator and Montana Extreme Copper killer(wool mop is best).

Copper killer = old name of 50 bmg

Std Montana Bore solvent is an oil based product, good on minimal copper. I replaced Butch's bore shine and Shooter's Choice with Montana Extreme bore solvent.

Shooting large magnums, 70+g of powder is a lot different cleaning regiment than 20 shots through a Dasher and 105's.

 

[garandman]

Some guys on this board clean every 20 rounds and some clean every 200.

That is where the confusion lies... one guy says "I run 5 patches and its clean, you are over cleaning!!" Another guy says "I did what that guy said and my barrel is still filthy" (because he shot 200 rounds).

This whole discussion is filled with confusion and pointing fingers "you are going to ruin your barrel!!!"

Yup. Everyone is sure that their way is the best way for everybody.



In reality, "Clean" = when your barrel is shooting tight groups again.

 

[R.Morehouse]

As mentioned, different barrels clean up differently. Overcleaning can lead to premature barrel death. The borescope makes me confident in my cleaning method for a given barrel. Mine was pricey but of high quality. It looks like there are some very cost-effective options out there now that I think run through a phone. If I shoot 20 rounds and clean then scope, the next time, with the same approx. round count, I will just read the patches coming out. I have tried a bunch of different products and find that they all work if you know how to work them, for the most part. I like Montana Extreme but can't use it around family members without hearing it about the smell. The ThorroClean bore cleaning system that BulletCentral developed in collaboration with IOSSO products works well and I think is easiest on the nose for those that it matters.

Regards
Rick

 

[centershot]

I believe in last months issue of American Rifleman, the author stated that he never found a fouled barrel that did not shoot better with a vigorous cleaning with J B and other cleaners. That is why I am trying my experiment with my Roberts. Looked at it with a bore scope and went "yikes!" Will shoot it on Tuesday, weather permitting. Was getting two shots together and one out. Sometimes vertical, sometimes horizontal.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I believe in last months issue of American Rifleman, the author stated that he never found a fouled barrel that did not shoot better with a vigorous cleaning with J B and other cleaners. That is why I am trying my experiment with my Roberts. Looked at it with a bore scope and went "yikes!" Will shoot it on Tuesday, weather permitting. Was getting two shots together and one out. Sometimes vertical, sometimes horizontal.

This is the clear winner over JB in my tests, and my barrels have never shot better. It is very mild but it works way better.

I have suggested it to several good shooters and results have been the same, once they use this they don't go back.

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

How is it milder and works better? Better at removing hard carbon due to being milder?

 

[urbanrifleman]

How is it milder and works better? Better at removing hard carbon due to being milder?

Pardon me. I will clarify. It is way less gritty. The abrasive is much less obvious. It's really next level whatever it is...

Jb removes hard carbon approximately 5 times slower. Maybe more. What Flitz Bore does in 20 strokes, takes JB well over 100. From my tests. And others...

 

[fatelvis]

Pardon me. I will clarify. It is way less gritty. The abrasive is much less obvious. It's really next level whatever it is...

Jb removes hard carbon approximately 5 times slower. Maybe more. What Flitz Bore does in 20 strokes, takes JB well over 100. From my tests. And others...

Wow....
On that statement alone I'm gonna try a bottle.

 

[mikehotel]

I jumped on the wipe out bandwagon once and went back to Bore Tech Eliminator.

 

[Dgd6mm]

This is the clear winner over JBView attachment 1142001 in my tests, and my barrels have never shot better. It is very mild but it works way better.

I have suggested it to several good shooters and results have been the same, once they use this they don't go back.

I'm going to have to check up on this stuff.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I'm going to have to check up on this stuff.

I made a thread here on this forum showing what it does. And my results shooting after.

It works best on a nylon brush like the Iosso brand brush or a worn bronze brush. I am testing other nylon brushes to see if they work as well. Patching did not dig the crud out the corners of the lands as well. And brushes coated in Flitz Bore worked faster than patches.

After testing and testing I think the brushes just run easier in the bore than a patch that is tight enough to work. So it feels like it is "running" better in the bore. The new Flitz is thinner than toothpaste but thicker than the old Flitz. It stays in the brush just fine. It's some kind of stuff that immediately breaks down into black goo and must be cleaned out of the bore with a clean brush then a few patches. I Flitz after 200 rounds.

The barrel I tested shot much better after cleaning. And fouling shots were great.