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Sweets vs. Wipe Out vs. Eliminator

fatelvis

fatelvis

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Has there ever been a study as to which cleans the copper faster and more thoroughly? Any opinions on which works best? Thanks guys
 
Look down to bottom of this page in the older posts. You can get 2 outta 3. :) old_dood had 18 replies. hth
 
I get a kick out of these threads... every bodys routine will be the best...:D I suggest you try all 3 and maybe a few others and see what works best for you... rely on a borescope to determine how clean your process is getting your pipe... not clean patches... unless your letting the solvent set in there for 30 minutes or more and your getting clean patches... my .02 cents
 
gman47564 said:
I get a kick out of these threads... every bodys routine will be the best...:D I suggest you try all 3 and maybe a few others and see what works best for you... rely on a borescope to determine how clean your process is getting your pipe... not clean patches... unless your letting the solvent set in there for 30 minutes or more and your getting clean patches... my .02 cents
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Well said (in my opinion) :) We *all* think the method we've settled on is the best possible method - or we would change to a different method.

Best avialable objective proof is: (1) a bore scope, and (2) clean patches after sufficient solvent set time. In that order of priority

I spoze the best objective proof is if yer rifle is shooting one ragged hole... who cares how dirty yer bore is.
 
I purchased all of the Wipeout products after it was recommended to me by another person. I tried them all. Eliminator smoke every single one of them. As well as the kg products wasn't even close. All you have to do is buy a bottle of the stuff and clean your Barrel then buy a bottle of Eliminator and clean your Barrel after you clean with wipe out or kg and you'll see it for yourself it doesn't take a rocket scientist study just two bottles of cleaner. Run one cleaner and then run the other it's pretty obvious when you see it
 
I don't know if you guys are shooting hundreds of rounds during each range trip, but all I can tell you is that if I'm firing my bolt actions and fire no more then a couple of boxes of ammo at the range (ie; 2 boxes = 40 rounds) and I clean at the end of the session with Sweets, Butches Brew, or Shooters choice, my borescope can't tell a bit of difference. As long as I use as recommended on the bottle, the barrel is clean! Even when I am shooting 75, or a 100 rounds through my AR, I don't see a difference. I guess the rule is to clean your rifle after you use it and not accumulate copper fouling over many range trips. Before I use any of the 3 specialized cleaners I mentioned above, I always push a couple of wet patches of standard Hoppe's Cleaner through the bore to push out all of the loose carbon and soot out of the barrel first. This helps avoid needless abrasion of back & forth sanding the bore with the grit, and it also helps the good cleaners go right to work so they don't need to be in the bore longer then recommended.
 
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I actually did this exact sort of study as a proper academic investigation of the aggressiveness and carrying capacity of various copper solvents. I didn't test BoreTech Eliminator but instead tested Modern Spartan Systems Copper/Lead Destroyer. I know at least one other person has done such a study (I found this after I concluded mine). The results of both sets of tests were inline with each other. Later on yet, another guy came in and replicated my procedures and got the same results.

The results for aggressiveness were (from most aggressive to least) KG12, Sweets, WipeOut, MSS.

KG12 was markedly more aggressive than Sweet's though both showed very similar carrying capacity. KG12 was exceedingly aggressive causing deep pitting in the test samples. Sweets was very aggressive causing some pitting and definite surface alteration of the test samples. WipeOut was moderately aggressive causing a visible but not measurable change in the surface profile on the test samples with a carrying capacity of less than half of KG12 or Sweet's. MSS was NOT aggressive at all and in fact looked to be tarnishing the samples rather than dissolving them (this was shown to not be the case as weight changes confirmed that the samples were being dissolved). It's carrying capacity was about half of what WipeOut's was.

As far as how to use them... KG12 and Sweet's are best for when you're going to stand there and run patches through until they come out clean. WipeOut seems best for those that want to squirt something in their bore and then go have a beer and come back to this cleaning stuff later. MSS's offering I really got the best performance by plugging the bore and filling it up and letting it run for 12-24 hours.
 
I was never impressed with Wipe Out. Seems it takes me multiple applications to get my bore clean. I have my own routine, but am always trying what others suggest. Next up is the Speedy Gonzalez method, link posted elsewhere on this site.

My take is that there are no shortcuts for proper bore cleaning..
 
TheOtherZilla said:
I was never impressed with Wipe Out. Seems it takes me multiple applications to get my bore clean. I have my own routine, but am always trying what others suggest. Next up is the Speedy Gonzalez method, link posted elsewhere on this site.

My take is that there are no shortcuts for proper bore cleaning..
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In my experience, WipeOut seems like it's just the thing for those guys that have guns that foul heavily and quickly like .300RUM and such or that shoot really long strings from hunting weight barrels. If you need to be able to quickly and easily pull some but not necessarily all of the fouling out, it seems like just the ticket.

Sweet's and KG12 seemed like just the ticket for guys that want a deep and thorough cleaning and plan to stand there and do it till it's done but don't want that to take too awfully long.

MSS's offering seems like just the ticket for people who want to pour some stuff down the hole and come back in a couple days.
 
ballisticxlr said:
In my experience, WipeOut seems like it's just the thing for those guys that have guns that foul heavily and quickly like .300RUM and such or that shoot really long strings from hunting weight barrels. If you need to be able to quickly and easily pull some but not necessarily all of the fouling out, it seems like just the ticket.

Sweet's and KG12 seemed like just the ticket for guys that want a deep and thorough cleaning and plan to stand there and do it till it's done but don't want that to take too awfully long.

MSS's offering seems like just the ticket for people who want to pour some stuff down the hole and come back in a couple days.
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You didnt test montana extreme? The 50bmg copper killer is the strongest cleaning solvent we have available. Makes sweets seem like eliminator soap
 
I am convinced two barrels that I used sweets in made them shoot bigger groups. they were never the same. For me the foam does the best. first time I used it on an old mauser green paint came out of the barrel
 
Dusty Stevens said:
You didnt test montana extreme? The 50bmg copper killer is the strongest cleaning solvent we have available. Makes sweets seem like eliminator soap
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I agree with Dusty on this one. The Montana Extreme 50BMG Copper Killer gets after it. It was formulated to dissolve not just copper but UNC-3600 bronze that gets laid down in the bore of a 50 cal. when the big bronze solids are shot. - I think the percentage of true ammonia has much to do with how aggressive it attacks the copper or bronze fouling. - "Old" Sweets from 25 years ago was some stout stuff but I believe they've cut back on the percentage of pure ammonia in it. - The Montana Extreme Copper-Crème is some strong stuff as well, used with a correctly fitting patch on a parker-hale type jag it knocks the "dog-snot" out of fouling. - And these real strong cleaners I NEVER leave them in the bore any longer than I can help it or Ever unattended. - And after using them I push several patches wetted with Zippo Lighter Fluid on them to flush that stout stuff out & follow up with a few wetted patches that have some oil on them. - It's imperative to get that strong stuff and all remnants of it OUT of the bore. - And as was also mentioned, taking the time & care to Not let the fouling build up in the first place makes the cleaning & removal a lot easier. - Also a "warm" bore cleans easier than one that's sat. - And the Bore-Scope tell the story of just how well it is really cleaned.

- Ron -
 
Tim s said:
Curious. For the guys that tried/use Wipeout, have you brushed it good once soaked ?
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Yeah. It’s just like all the other stuff. It gets powder and copper fine with time(soaking), doesn’t do much for carbon.
 
eric n said:
Yeah. It’s just like all the other stuff. It gets powder and copper fine with time(soaking), doesn’t do much for carbon.
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well the reason I asked, there seems to be a lot of guys under the impression you simply let it sit then patch, you have to brush it and agitate it up... makes a huge difference. Talking here about the liquid, have not used the foam for a long time.
Carbon( in the throat) is easy.....C4,let it sit a bit.....gone, bare metal.
 
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