JARD SAVAGE TRIGGER
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To the guys having trouble installing the NEW Jard Savage trigger.
I hear the customer service it great, have you inquired about sending your problem actions to Jard for the install? Not sure about need for FFL???? Can't you send a rifle for repair without using an FFL?
To the guys who have installed the NEW Jard.
How do you like it?
Bill
I hear the customer service it great, have you inquired about sending your problem actions to Jard for the install? Not sure about need for FFL???? Can't you send a rifle for repair without using an FFL?
To the guys who have installed the NEW Jard.
How do you like it?
Bill
Send my action in to have a trigger installed?...
That's about 0% convenient...
Ya, I'll wait till they get the bugs worked out before i change out my 4 Savage target triggers.
I'm with Slugger 3, I have a long action for a swap Bbl. build, got other rifles waiting for cooler & dryer weather
Has anyone asked how much $$ Jard charges to install their trigger ??
MikeMcCasland
Team Texas F-T/R
Just saw this thread got brought back up; I reached out to Jard when I first got my trigger, sent them pics, and a detailed write up after our phone conversation, but I didn't hear anything back. I never followed up with them, because I'm using this as a target gun, and really don't care about not having a safety. I was contacting them more for their benefit. The guy I talked to on the phone was nice though.
I've shot the rifle several times since installing the trigger, and it worked well for about ~800 rounds (confirmed via my log book just now...I didn't think I'd shot it that much since July) however I had my first problem with it in a match this past weekend. It randomly started slam firing on me during my 2nd string, so I had to tear the rifle down and adjust it mid match; I didn't have another option as I didn't have a safety installed...because the two position one won't fit this trigger.
That said, the whole trigger falling out of adjustment after 800 rounds could have been on me. It had been 100% reliable since install, but I know I messed with the pull weight/sear engagement screws when I put it on, so if you're just going to leave it as it comes...may not be an issue.
I've shot the rifle several times since installing the trigger, and it worked well for about ~800 rounds (confirmed via my log book just now...I didn't think I'd shot it that much since July) however I had my first problem with it in a match this past weekend. It randomly started slam firing on me during my 2nd string, so I had to tear the rifle down and adjust it mid match; I didn't have another option as I didn't have a safety installed...because the two position one won't fit this trigger.
That said, the whole trigger falling out of adjustment after 800 rounds could have been on me. It had been 100% reliable since install, but I know I messed with the pull weight/sear engagement screws when I put it on, so if you're just going to leave it as it comes...may not be an issue.
I have one, installed on accutrigger action with no problems. Tried it on non accutrigger & it will not fit. The accutrigger safety is .248" top to bottom & the non accutrigger is approx. .305''. The accu safety did fit & function in the non accutrigger, without the safety button. I am thinking the non accutrigger will work, if .060'' give or take is taken off bottom of safety, spring & screw removed, three notches put in safety to match accutrigger. The Jard comes with the safety spring in the assy. Having both safeties on hand to compare may make this easier to comprehend. Installing of the Jard in accutrigger is very easy, remove trigger & bracket, sear & spring ,they are not used, install trigger using original trigger pin & adjust.
I read this thread before but thought I would be ok with this trigger because I have 3 Stevens 200 Short Actions " WITH 3 POSITION SAFETYS". SAFE, MID POSITION (Bolt Works But Trigger Won't Pull), and FIRE. That's 3 positions, right. These actions were made after 2006. They have the same Safety Bar that Mike McCasland posted. Jard now offers the Safety bar that "fantastic" mentions. I don't know, but this Safety Bar must come on the Accutrigger models ?
But here's My other problem. When this trigger was first announced, it was offered in 6oz, which is what I wanted for Bench Rest use. That has now been changed to 7 to 12 ounces. So, I ordered the the 7 to 12 ounce. I got it yesterday and installed it per instructions. Of course the Safety Bar wouldn't go in. But after installation, I couldn't get the pull weight below 12 ounces. Even with the pull weight screw and spring "completely removed".
I paid $227.45 for the trigger delivered. Jard wants another $49.95+$5.95 shipping for the Safety Bar that is supposed to work. I will be out $283.35 for a trigger that, so far, only goes down to 12oz. Still not the Bench Rest trigger that is advertised and sought. I think Jewels are less than that?
The trigger is well made, except for what has been mentioned. I like the fact that it totally replaces the Savage trigger. Following the installation instructions, I got no creep and no wobble when cocked. Anyone wanting a heavier pull, 12ozs and up, should be satisfied. Assuming you can get over the sticker shock and safety issue.
I will call Jard today and see what can be worked out. I'm going to let them know that $49.95+$5.95 is a "RIP" for that little bar. Especially since We weren't told it was needed at order time. Hopefully, together we can work this out.
More to follow.
But here's My other problem. When this trigger was first announced, it was offered in 6oz, which is what I wanted for Bench Rest use. That has now been changed to 7 to 12 ounces. So, I ordered the the 7 to 12 ounce. I got it yesterday and installed it per instructions. Of course the Safety Bar wouldn't go in. But after installation, I couldn't get the pull weight below 12 ounces. Even with the pull weight screw and spring "completely removed".
I paid $227.45 for the trigger delivered. Jard wants another $49.95+$5.95 shipping for the Safety Bar that is supposed to work. I will be out $283.35 for a trigger that, so far, only goes down to 12oz. Still not the Bench Rest trigger that is advertised and sought. I think Jewels are less than that?
The trigger is well made, except for what has been mentioned. I like the fact that it totally replaces the Savage trigger. Following the installation instructions, I got no creep and no wobble when cocked. Anyone wanting a heavier pull, 12ozs and up, should be satisfied. Assuming you can get over the sticker shock and safety issue.
I will call Jard today and see what can be worked out. I'm going to let them know that $49.95+$5.95 is a "RIP" for that little bar. Especially since We weren't told it was needed at order time. Hopefully, together we can work this out.
More to follow.
longbow59
Gold $$ Contributor
I installed a Jard Trigger several months ago, when they first came out. I put it on a Model 12 6br Benchrest rifle. I love it, easy to install, easy to adjust. I have it set at 6 oz and it is great. It's hard for me to say this but it is a whole lot better then the accu trigger
MikeMcCasland
Team Texas F-T/R
The thread that keeps on giving....
My experiences mirror that of Rat Rifle. It's a good trigger, but it doesn't go down low at all. The shoe on the trigger is also very rounded and extremely wide; it will feel very awkward if you're coming from Jewells and the like.
I posted in the thread earlier, the lightest I thought I could get mine was 8-10ozs (I don't have a gauge, that was just a guess). I suspect Rat Rifle is correct, its probably close to 12ozs (and I have the 6oz model).
I also agree charging $50 for a safety, when we were led to believe it should have worked in the first place is insane.
Overall, I'd rate this trigger a 'do not buy' for target use. I've had mine break down on me twice mid-match while shooting for record. I've seen that happen with factory triggers, but it shouldn't be happening with what should have been a complete redesign. The first time I accepted as potentially my fault as I'd adjusted it, the second time I adjusted it back (and put a lot of sear engagement and pull weight into it), and it happened again.
That said, this whole Jard experience is the 'straw that broke the camels back' for me regarding Savages. I suspect the short action & target actions aren't like this, but I'm just done with my long actions; and Savage in general. Too many screwy issues with different revisions of parts, aftermarket compatibility, overall poor trigger design etc. I added it all up, and the money I've got into these two Savages is obscene relative to the performance, and it never seems possible to get them quite right.
My experiences mirror that of Rat Rifle. It's a good trigger, but it doesn't go down low at all. The shoe on the trigger is also very rounded and extremely wide; it will feel very awkward if you're coming from Jewells and the like.
I posted in the thread earlier, the lightest I thought I could get mine was 8-10ozs (I don't have a gauge, that was just a guess). I suspect Rat Rifle is correct, its probably close to 12ozs (and I have the 6oz model).
I also agree charging $50 for a safety, when we were led to believe it should have worked in the first place is insane.
Overall, I'd rate this trigger a 'do not buy' for target use. I've had mine break down on me twice mid-match while shooting for record. I've seen that happen with factory triggers, but it shouldn't be happening with what should have been a complete redesign. The first time I accepted as potentially my fault as I'd adjusted it, the second time I adjusted it back (and put a lot of sear engagement and pull weight into it), and it happened again.
That said, this whole Jard experience is the 'straw that broke the camels back' for me regarding Savages. I suspect the short action & target actions aren't like this, but I'm just done with my long actions; and Savage in general. Too many screwy issues with different revisions of parts, aftermarket compatibility, overall poor trigger design etc. I added it all up, and the money I've got into these two Savages is obscene relative to the performance, and it never seems possible to get them quite right.
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memilanuk
Gold $$ Contributor
Huh.
I've had a (mostly) very different experience.
I ordered the 6 oz. model, and installed it on a Savage Target Action - specifically from an early Palma rifle.
The trigger literally slipped on in a couple minutes - probably less. Pull the pin, slip the factory AT off (and keep track of all the loose pieces in the process), hook the new trigger on in the back, push the pin back in. Done.
According to my Lyman digital trigger pull gauge, it tripped at between 7.8 and 8.1 oz. Not 6 oz, true, but still pretty good.
Then the bummer - it sticks down and out further than the oem AT that the McM XIT was originally inletted for. So, the AT went back on for the time being.
Later, when I had some time - and worked up the courage - I fired up ye ole Dremel and got busy making things fit (in true Salvage tradition)
Once everything was fitted and working as planned, off to the range. No issues, and it worked just fine.
So other than some additional inletting work to make the McM XIT play nice with the trigger body, it went about as smoothly as I could have expected.
As far as the Stevens 200 actions that @Rat Rifle had, the 2006 date is largely irrelevant. Those actions were basically a clone of the pre-AT actions - so pretty much anything that is supposed to work with the post-2005 AT actions isn't going to work with them. The bottom-bolt-release models... well I was never a fan of those to begin with, nor the cocking indicator inside the BAS, nor the smooth barrel nuts. The changes between the various actions certainly have been frustrating over the years.
I've had a (mostly) very different experience.
I ordered the 6 oz. model, and installed it on a Savage Target Action - specifically from an early Palma rifle.
The trigger literally slipped on in a couple minutes - probably less. Pull the pin, slip the factory AT off (and keep track of all the loose pieces in the process), hook the new trigger on in the back, push the pin back in. Done.
According to my Lyman digital trigger pull gauge, it tripped at between 7.8 and 8.1 oz. Not 6 oz, true, but still pretty good.
Then the bummer - it sticks down and out further than the oem AT that the McM XIT was originally inletted for. So, the AT went back on for the time being.
Later, when I had some time - and worked up the courage - I fired up ye ole Dremel and got busy making things fit (in true Salvage tradition)
Once everything was fitted and working as planned, off to the range. No issues, and it worked just fine.
So other than some additional inletting work to make the McM XIT play nice with the trigger body, it went about as smoothly as I could have expected.
As far as the Stevens 200 actions that @Rat Rifle had, the 2006 date is largely irrelevant. Those actions were basically a clone of the pre-AT actions - so pretty much anything that is supposed to work with the post-2005 AT actions isn't going to work with them. The bottom-bolt-release models... well I was never a fan of those to begin with, nor the cocking indicator inside the BAS, nor the smooth barrel nuts. The changes between the various actions certainly have been frustrating over the years.
I called Jard this morning and had a very productive talk with Dean. I told Him about all the positive things with the new trigger and the issues that weren't so good. He is very interested in the feedback and wants to provide a good trigger for Savages. This is a new product, and as such, it can be expected some bugs may need to be worked out. Jard is committed to this.
Cost wise, all the parts in the trigger are quality, not stamped out sheet metal. The safety bar that they provide is a machined part, not mass produced.
Dean said to get a desired pull weight, the trigger spring has to work in conjunction with the sear engagement screw. I worked on this today and got My trigger down to 8ozs. I tried to trip it by slamming the bolt and bouncing the but and couldn't get it to fire/trip. I think, once final adjusted, the proper use of blue Locktite on the screw threads will prevent the trigger from loosing adjustment.
I'm going to stick with this trigger, and I think it will end up being a good Savage improvement.
Thanks, and Good Luck to all.
Cost wise, all the parts in the trigger are quality, not stamped out sheet metal. The safety bar that they provide is a machined part, not mass produced.
Dean said to get a desired pull weight, the trigger spring has to work in conjunction with the sear engagement screw. I worked on this today and got My trigger down to 8ozs. I tried to trip it by slamming the bolt and bouncing the but and couldn't get it to fire/trip. I think, once final adjusted, the proper use of blue Locktite on the screw threads will prevent the trigger from loosing adjustment.
I'm going to stick with this trigger, and I think it will end up being a good Savage improvement.
Thanks, and Good Luck to all.
Jard Built me a Bottom Bolt release trigger assembly for my Savage SA 10,It is a Cpmplete trigger, Remove old,install new,you only use the old sear pin,I did have to grind a little off bolt release lever to get it to work in my B.C. Medalist 6 stock.Mine is 6 oz,i have a SSS trigger a Rifle Basic II trigger,this is Lighter/Better.There are minor adjustments to pull weight, slack and creep.It is the Best Trigger I have on any of my Savages
They offer 5 different pull weight,i believe,form 6 to 22 ounces ,I have # 1,think 6,10,12,14,22 oz.have to check on Jard site
Willoughby
Silver $$ Contributor
what Jard should have said and most likely will update info to is (will work with accu trigger safety ) both accu trigger and pre accu trigger 10-110s have 3 position safety's , the pre a/t safety has a screw holding a detent strip onto the safety that slides over a bar in trigger hanger , whereas the a/t has a spring in hanger that 3 detent grooves milled in safety use , the safety's are also different where they go through receiver , an a/t safety wont work on a pre a/t receiver , maybe the one Jard sells will, I dont know , I do know a accu trigger can be fitted to pre a/t receivers using the pre a/t safety and hanger , you will have to drill a small hole in bottom of receiver tang for a/t rear spring to seat
Unless the rules have changed, you can use USPS to mail a long gun to a FFL, you don't have to be a FFL to do that, just put it in a box and send it. I've done that several times including several mailings back to factory for repairs under warranty.
Handguns on the other hand, cannot be mailed using USPS, and that's where mailing just the action can be problematic if using USPS. The action, by itself, can be used as a handgun or a long gun. I had one FFL tell me that he had to send the action I sold via FED EX or UPS Second day as it had to have positive tracking.
I would do that anyway just to help insure it gets there, especially during the holiday season. You would not believe the volume of packages being shipped around the country right now.
MikeMcCasland
Team Texas F-T/R
No need to send the triggers off. Jard's marketing documentation was incorrect during the release of this trigger, which led to confusion (and claims that others don't know what a 10/110/200 action are).
Jard implied it would work without issue on all 110s/Stevens 200s etc. That turned out not to be incorrect. They have subsequently come out with a replacement safety you need to buy for $50 if you have a certain vintage of savage action.
Lastly, if you've got to send a savage off to have anything done to it, it kind of defeats the purpose, no?
Jard implied it would work without issue on all 110s/Stevens 200s etc. That turned out not to be incorrect. They have subsequently come out with a replacement safety you need to buy for $50 if you have a certain vintage of savage action.
Lastly, if you've got to send a savage off to have anything done to it, it kind of defeats the purpose, no?
OK, going to revive this with a simple question; Specifically ,has anyone installed the Jard trigger on a per accutrigger 110 and NOT installed the OME safety ?
Reasona;
1. The trigger would be going on a 110 action set up for single shot only.
2. Reading comments here and on Savage Shooters, using the OME safety seams to
cause some problems ?
Reasona;
1. The trigger would be going on a 110 action set up for single shot only.
2. Reading comments here and on Savage Shooters, using the OME safety seams to
cause some problems ?
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