What is Good for A Competitive 6ppc

[jimmymac]

@jimmymac, that is probably true. But, my question is how accurate the gun has to be to be competitive.

I understand that driving the gun is a whole nuther story.

I guess my whole point is that the vast majority of us aren’t good enough to know if a barrel is even capable of agging in the mid 1’s. We may think it is, but 5 targets later the agg says otherwise.

 

[jimmymac]

...or better yet, 20 targets later.

 

[jimmymac]

To me it is amazing that these top shots can agg in the 1’s over the course of two days and 20 targets in ever changing conditions. Obviously the equipment is up to the task, but the shooter makes or breaks the deal.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I was always told more than half the guns on the line are capable of winning at any given match

 

[Ccrider]

I guess my whole point is that the vast majority of us aren’t good enough to know if a barrel is even capable of agging in the mid 1’s. We may think it is, but 5 targets later the agg says otherwise.

That is easy enough to answer. Tune a load. Shoot five five shot groups in ideal conditions and measure.

 

[michaeljp65]

Im a 10 year PPC shooter but not in comps although i study the local comp results. What i have found here in oz is that the top 10 are usually the same people. These people put in the time and effort, and travel to all the shoots and their effort pays off with wins or high place positions. If your starting out dont expect to be top 10 or 20, just do your best and results will come when they come. If you know a shooter who wins comps or finishes top 10 ask him to shoot your rifle with ammo that you loaded, if he cant get tiny groups then little chance you will either. Like Dusty said in the post above this one, "I was always told more than half the guns on the line are capable of winning at any given match" the gun is 1 part of the deal, the ammo and the bloke pulling the trigger are the other 2 main parts. These are just my views from a non compshooter who occasionally, shoots a .0 5 shot group

 

[jimmymac]

That is easy enough to answer. Tune a load. Shoot five five shot groups in ideal conditions and measure.

Then you should go answer that question for yourself. It's the only way you'll know. I've already answered that question for me. The next .150 agg I put up will be my first. I don't currently have the skill set to operate at that level and freely admit it because I'm a work in progress. I had a nice little teen agg going a few weeks ago at 200 yards. On target five I shot a .750. So much for that agg... Is the barrel capable? Probably, but my results say otherwise.

I have no idea how many barrels out of ten are capable of winning and I suspect most here don't either because our lack of skills prevent us from properly evaluating our barrels and getting the most out of them. Where do we lay blame for those pesky fliers when we are evaluating? Was it gun handling, the load, condition change, or is the barrel crap? We talk about teen aggs as if they are a walk in the park. They aren't.

 

[Ccrider]

I understand and agree. No walk in the park, but I said “under ideal circumstances.” To do it in competition and in tough conditions is phenomenal.

I have no problem claiming each shot. I rarely use the term “flyer”. I think it is just an excuse for shooting bad or loading bad or tuning bad for the most part. No mulligans. This is my mentality as I try to learn and get better in all aspects.

I shoot 5 five shot groups and 3 out of 5 avg. .15, the two groups that avg. .25 or .30 etc. are not because of flyers.

 

[Shooter13]

Well this is my first year shooting competitions and I find it exciting, frustrating and enjoyable all at once. I'm shooting a 30BR but going to build a 6PPC for next year, the components I have are very good but I have SO much to learn but I am learning. Went out last week on a semi windy day to shoot and it was really fun playing with the wind, working on the setup and of course working on the load.................

 

[BartsBullets]

I'm skeptical of this 2 out of 3 number. I may be ignorant of the truth, but I don't think there are that many sub-par barrels out there from the big name makers. Seems like every barrel I've got has been capable of better than 2s. Also seems like the top shooters, gunsmiths, and barrel makers all maintain that a majority of "bad barrels" actually end up being a problem somewhere else in the system. A tuning, reloading, or shooter issue.

Evan,

Not with Top Shooters! Top shooters, particularly, in short range figure out very quickly what the problem is and its not normally going to be a tuning, reloading or shooter issue. Because they know what they are doing.

Your statement would hold more true if you were referring to the avg joe or a new guy!

Bart

 

[Shooter13]

true if you were referring to the avg joe or a new guy!

ME! ;-)

 

[liljoe]

Hey, I resemble that remark.

Average liljoe

 

[Evan]

Evan,

Not with Top Shooters! Top shooters, particularly, in short range figure out very quickly what the problem is and its not normally going to be a tuning, reloading or shooter issue. Because they know what they are doing.

Your statement would hold more true if you were referring to the avg joe or a new guy!

Bart

I'm glad you said that Bart. Many folks make that call, rather arrogantly, without the skill or experience to back it up. I'd not be upset about it if it didn't confuse the other 95% of competitors into thinking that if only they got a hummer barrel, they too would agg better and win more, when the truth is that they simply need more practice.

 

[BartsBullets]

I'm glad you said that Bart. Many folks make that call, rather arrogantly, without the skill or experience to back it up. I'd not be upset about it if it didn't confuse the other 95% of competitors into thinking that if only they got a hummer barrel, they too would agg better and win more, when the truth is that they simply need more practice.

Very true!

Bart

 

[Ccrider]

@Evan, @lukehalee mentioned 2 out of three barrels and I did not take him as being arrogant. I think he was being the opposite and criticizing the guys always complaining about the barrel being the problem.

All too often you read about problems with flyers. As I stated above, my thought is that more often than not the true problem is caused by the driver, not the barrel.

Btw, I don’t think confusion is the problem. It’s more like self denial.

 

[Evan]

@Evan, @lukehalee mentioned 2 out of three barrels and I did not take him as being arrogant. I think he was being the opposite and criticizing the guys always complaining about the barrel being the problem.

All too often you read about problems with flyers. As I stated above, my thought is that more often than not the true problem is caused by the driver, not the barrel.

Btw, I don’t think confusion is the problem. It’s more like self denial.

Or wishful thinking, haha.

 

[JEFFPPC]

@jimmymac, that is probably true. But, my question is how accurate the gun has to be to be competitive.

I understand that driving the gun is a whole nuther story.

Crider you are so correct. Not a lot of discussion on gun handling, nothing to sell. I think it determines the winners. Lot of guys with good equipment that can tune but have bad bench habits.You also must learn when not to shoot.

 

[Ccrider]

Yea. I have read every book out there and still ain’t got this wind thing figured out.

Guess the answer is shoot more.

 

[jimmymac]

This thread is like a penis measuring contest in reverse. Who has the smallest! It’s obviously not me.

 

[lukehalee]

Ccrider,

I did not mean to be arrogant or criticize anyone. Meant to help. Let me rephrase that a bit. If 2/3 of your barrels are not good to very good (just my lowly opinion. I have two rifles that shoot almost every barrel at a competitive level. Not always the biggest window, but big enough. If they don't shoot the first place I look is NOT the barrel.) I would suggest looking at your rifle, bullets, is every thing tight, and in the mirror.

I had three horrible years. Lost all confidence. Bought more barrels than I will say. Nothing worked. Finally got my head on straight and step by step evaluated everything. Scopes, triggers, bullets, gun handling, flag concentration, even had my vision checked. All of the above had problems.

I won't bore you stories of lessons learned, but will just suggest that BR is not simply a barrel buying contest. If you, your equipment, and tuning process are sound and repeatable, you might find there are a lot of competitive barrels being made. Just an opinion.