2020-21 fclass nationals

[Ned Ludd]

I don’t know why it’s so hard for some to understand that Phoenix just isn’t doable for a large number of shooters due to the distance for basically everyone East of Oklahoma...it’s 4 days driving time from my home state of Arkansas..2 out and 2 back..for those on the east coast, it’s almost impossible! There are a lot of shooters that aren’t retired and have jobs that don’t allow that kind of time to be taken off...what about those guys? No one seems too really give a rip about those guys..its a National Championship and should be hosted in a place that allows ALL shooters the opportunity attend..not just those privileged enough to be retire or have a job that allows time needed for the traveling..

Your point is well-taken. However, it is even more important that first and foremost, the FCNCs be held at a range fully capable of hosting an event of that size. Choosing a site to host the FCNCs simply due to its location that isn't up to the task will only ensure that a large number of the attendees will be miserable, even if they didn't have to drive very far.

If the folks in charge of organizing the FCNCs could make public some sort of minimal acceptable requirements necessary for a range to reasonably host the FCNCs, then all the ranges in the country both capable and willing to host the FCNCs could apply and possibly even compete for the right to host, similar to the way it is done for the Olympics. My gut feeling is that there simply aren't many 1000 yd ranges from the middle of the country toward the northeast capable of hosting events of that size. However, the use of e-targets might change that situation. I can't imagine anyone actively wants to screw the shooters that live in the East/Northeast by making them travel a long way to the FCNCs, but there isn't currently much of a choice if there aren't many ranges capable or willing to hold them in those regions.

 

[dskogman]

The number of ranges capable of running a FCNC is small. Getting a club capable and willing to do all the work is smaller. There are not really a lot of options.

 

[Matthew Schwartzkopf]

Your point is well-taken. However, it is even more important that first and foremost, the FCNCs be held at a range fully capable of hosting an event of that size. Choosing a site to host the FCNCs simply due to its location that isn't up to the task will only ensure that a large number of the attendees will be miserable, even if they didn't have to drive very far.

If the folks in charge of organizing the FCNCs could make public some sort of minimal acceptable requirements necessary for a range to reasonably host the FCNCs, then all the ranges in the country both capable and willing to host the FCNCs could apply and possibly even compete for the right to host, similar to the way it is done for the Olympics. My gut feeling is that there simply aren't many 1000 yd ranges from the middle of the country toward the northeast capable of hosting events of that size. However, the use of e-targets might change that situation. I can't imagine anyone actively wants to screw the shooters that live in the East/Northeast by making them travel a long way to the FCNCs, but there isn't currently much of a choice if there aren't many ranges capable or willing to hold them in those regions.

The club is responsible for organizing the FCNC. Therefore if a club wants to hold it they need to put into run and organize it. Trust me there are no set folks that organize all FCNC its just the club given the ok from the NRA.

 

[Jdne5b]

The club is responsible for organizing the FCNC. Therefore if a club wants to hold it they need to put into run and organize it. Trust me there are no set folks that organize all FCNC its just the club given the ok from the NRA.

Do you know what the NRAs requirements are?

 

[Dos XX]

There are 255 shooters registered for this year's LR Nationals. That would require 64 targets if you wanted to cap it at 4 relays. If you wanted to limit it to 200 shooters, you would need 50 targets x 4 relays.

Do we want it limited to 200 shooters? Who has 50 targets at 1k yards and wants to and is capable of running Nationals? Do we want to run 5 or 6 relays?

Maybe the NRA should build a 150 target 1000 yd range in Lebanon, KS just to hold Nationals. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.

 

[prwhite]

Still no one suggests splitting F-Open & F-TR?

 

[Ned Ludd]

The club is responsible for organizing the FCNC. Therefore if a club wants to hold it they need to put into run and organize it. Trust me there are no set folks that organize all FCNC its just the club given the ok from the NRA.

I see - thanks for the clarification, Matt.

Nonetheless, having a standardized minimum set of requirements as determined by individuals that actually shoot in F-Class and have participated in FCNCs would be useful so that it is clear which ranges in the U.S. are and are not qualified to hold the FCNC. In my personal opinion, issues such as having too few firing lanes so as to force holding 5 to 6 relays (or more) and/or infiltration squadding would be disqualifying events, as would be having to conduct matches on more than a single range at the same time.

 

[Matthew Schwartzkopf]

Still no one suggests splitting F-Open & F-TR?

Would you or your club volunteer to run nationals for two weeks? Do you have the manpower to run a two week match?

I only have so much leave at work to take off to run matches. Why would I use my all vacation time to run a match where people are just going to criticise you and your club on how the match was ran? It's easier to get volunteers and workers to commit to one week vs two.

 

[Matthew Schwartzkopf]

I see - thanks for the clarification, Matt.

Nonetheless, having a standardized minimum set of requirements as determined by individuals that actually shoot in F-Class and have participated in FCNCs would be useful so that it is clear which ranges in the U.S. are and are not qualified to hold the FCNC. In my personal opinion, issues such as having too few firing lanes so as to force holding 5 to 6 relays (or more) and/or infiltration squadding would be disqualifying events, as would be having to conduct matches on more than a single range at the same time.

Ultimately it is the NRA's decision. The shooters need to voice their opinion, and the club needs to convince the NRA that they can hold the FCNC.

 

[MattPeetz]

I don’t know why it’s so hard for some to understand that Phoenix just isn’t doable for a large number of shooters due to the distance for basically everyone East of Oklahoma...it’s 4 days driving time from my home state of Arkansas..2 out and 2 back..for those on the east coast, it’s almost impossible! There are a lot of shooters that aren’t retired and have jobs that don’t allow that kind of time to be taken off...what about those guys? No one seems too really give a rip about those guys..its a National Championship and should be hosted in a place that allows ALL shooters the opportunity attend..not just those privileged enough to be retire or have a job that allows time needed for the traveling..

How many easterners went to lodi?
I bet more westerners were there than easterners.
Phoenix would have a ton of shooters for nationals. Theres 400 a day for the SWN’s. Why would it be different.
If you want to go, then you will go. Simple as that. No matter where its held

 

[flintcreek6412]

Would you or your club volunteer to run nationals for two weeks? Do you have the manpower to run a two week match?

I only have so much leave at work to take off to run matches. Why would I use my all vacation time to run a match where people are just going to criticise you and your club on how the match was ran? It's easier to get volunteers and workers to commit to one week vs two.

Why not completely split F-Open and F-T/R? And I mean completely. West of Mississippi River club does Open and East of Miss River club TR. Then the next year Open is east and TR is west. Smaller range could possibly handle it then and guys would have closer options every other year.

 

[MattPeetz]

Why not completely split F-Open and F-T/R? And I mean completely. West of Mississippi River club does Open and East of Miss River club TR. Then the next year Open is east and TR is west. Smaller range could possibly handle it then and guys would have closer options every other year.

Find the help and get it done. (Smiley face)

 

[falconpilot]

How many easterners went to lodi?
I bet more westerners were there than easterners.
Phoenix would have a ton of shooters for nationals. Theres 400 a day for the SWN’s. Why would it be different.
If you want to go, then you will go. Simple as that. No matter where its held

This is attitude I was talking about right here Matt...it’s not so simple for a lot of people. Just because you can, doesn’t mean most can..I see you live in Nebraska...just guessing if you lived on East coast, you’d feel little different..

 

[Lbart]

I don’t know why it’s so hard for some to understand that Phoenix just isn’t doable for a large number of shooters due to the distance for basically everyone East of Oklahoma...it’s 4 days driving time from my home state of Arkansas..2 out and 2 back..for those on the east coast, it’s almost impossible! There are a lot of shooters that aren’t retired and have jobs that don’t allow that kind of time to be taken off...what about those guys? No one seems too really give a rip about those guys..its a National Championship and should be hosted in a place that allows ALL shooters the opportunity attend..not just those privileged enough to be retire or have a job that allows time needed for the traveling..

OK Jim, where might that location be? I have been to all 14 of the FC LR Nationals at 5 different locations. 2x at Camp Burner, NC, 1 x at Oak Ridge, TN, 2x in Sacramento, CA, 3x in Ration, NM, 4x in Lodi, WI. We are talking in order 1807, 1517, 1200, 476 and 1432 miles one-way from my home in El Paso, TX. Be thankful you live in Arkansas. No matter where they are held someone is going to get burned. I’ve been shooting FC for 20 years and things haven’t changed that much in all that time. If you want to compete you have to spend the time, mileage and money to do it. Would I like to travel more now that I am retired? Of course I would, but since I am retired I can’t afford more:-(

 

[MattPeetz]

This is attitude I was talking about right here Matt...it’s not so simple for a lot of people. Just because you can, doesn’t mean most can..I see you live in Nebraska...just guessing if you lived on East coast, you’d feel little different..

I’m in Colorado now. And no i wouldn’t feel that way. If i want to go, i would make it happen just like i do for every other shoot.
Its not an attitude. Its just facts.

 

[falconpilot]

One year at Raton, next year Atterberry..then repeat..those are close enough to center for both coasts that those who want to shoot can..

 

[MattPeetz]

One year at Raton, next year Atterberry..then repeat..those are close enough to center for both coasts that those who want to shoot can..

Are you going to run the nationals at Raton? Doubtful the bald eaglea club will again. They have already moved the palma regional and santa fe regional from raton to Byers,CO because of the lack of help from Whittington and the club

 

[prwhite]

Would you or your club volunteer to run nationals for two weeks? Do you have the manpower to run a two week match?

I only have so much leave at work to take off to run matches. Why would I use my all vacation time to run a match where people are just going to criticise you and your club on how the match was ran? It's easier to get volunteers and workers to commit to one week vs two.

Not suggesting that the matches run back to back at the same location. At some point in the future if the larger ranges for any reason are not able to host a combined F-Class nationals, then we are left with the decision to limit entries or split disciplines.

 

[MattPeetz]

Not suggesting that the matches run back to back at the same location. At some point in the future if the larger ranges for any reason are not able to host a combined F-Class nationals, then we are left with the decision to limit entries or split disciplines.

Entries are already limited.

 

[Immike]

Gentlemen, I have always felt that with the growth of the sport that a spring midrange could be passed around at the several capable clubs that would be elated to host them and the long would be hosted by the few clubs capable of doing so. Many hands will lighten the load..

Edit: We should refrain from over extending the hospitality of our best people and find a reasonable agenda for the hosting clubs. Having both together is convenient for a few shooters but not at all for the hosting clubs.