Bump Stocks

[johnfred1965]

It wasn't put forth as a jest.

Nobody needs a bolt action sniper rifle.
How can you argue that?

See how things go when people justify possession by 'need'?

I guess no one "needs" a steak either, since you can get your protein from soy products, but I think I would rather starve first.

I am not arguing that I need a sniper rifle, but since they are accurate and I like to hit steel and rocks and other targets a long way off, I just want one.

 

[snakepit]

"As of March 26, 2019, it is a federal felony offense to possess a bump stock. The Final Rule has no provision to grandfather or register devices already owned. Additionally, the grace period to surrender a bump stock to the ATF has passed, meaning your only option at this point would be to destroy all devices in your possession. Further, there is no provision for any compensation for the economic loss of a destroyed or surrendered bump stock.

The ATF has provided bump stock destruction instructions that will render the device incapable of being readily restored to its intended function. Failure to comply with this new rule is a federal felony, punishable by up to 10 years in federal prison and up to a $250,000 fine for each bump stock in your possession."

 

[Steve Ladino]

Don't worry about the ATF if your stocks sank your all right. Now you have to worry about the EPA, dumping plastic into the oceans, thats even worse.

Have You seen the two bare chested guys selling bracelets made from retrieved ocean plastic ? Good idea but they are fighting a losing battle because ocean dumping is a fact of life now last I heard.

 

[Spaz]

"As of March 26, 2019, it is a federal felony offense to possess a bump stock. The Final Rule has no provision to grandfather or register devices already owned. Additionally, the grace period to surrender a bump stock to the ATF has passed, meaning your only option at this point would be to destroy all devices in your possession. Further, there is no provision for any compensation for the economic loss of a destroyed or surrendered bump stock.

The ATF has provided bump stock destruction instructions that will render the device incapable of being readily restored to its intended function. Failure to comply with this new rule is a federal felony, punishable by up to 10 years in federal prison and up to a $250,000 fine for each bump stock in your possession."

So basically, you may as well have a legit unregistered machine gun, as the punishment is the exact same.

 

[snakepit]

So basically, you may as well have a legit unregistered machine gun, as the punishment is the exact same.

It sounds like you are correct. Here is another quote from the message I received from the law firm I have my firearm liability coverage with, "The Final Rule amends the ATF’s definition of machinegun to include bump-stock style devices".

 

[jds holler]

I'm thinking that this might be the start of open rebellion against oppressive gun laws. I haven't heard of anyone turning in, or destroying a bump-stock. I don't think that it would be any different if there was a ban imposed on "military style assault rifles". jd

 

[Rocketvapor]

I really liked the idea of putting them in Bald Eagle nests
Get a group together, get a permit to put starter nests in high places.
Weave in a bunch of the illegal bump stocks. Preferably in Florida that outlawed them before the feds.

Why? It would be storing them in a safe place (not the ocean) as it is a federal crime to disturb the nest. A federal crime that isn't a gun crime. Go figure.

 

[cinch29433]

Being a kid from the reservation I wonder what makes a class 3 firearm a class 3 firearm. Is it the trigger/sear mechanism, a triangular device what goes into the trigger guard that ya can spin with a cordless Dremel tool, or is it kinda like a bump stock type device? It is sometimes smart to pick your battles and it seems that the industry making a device for the most hated firearm in my rack wasn't too smart to start with. I know its human nature to go to line of the rules and push a little but then ya run the risk of going over the line and shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[rcparker1]

Being a kid from the reservation I wonder what makes a class 3 firearm a class 3 firearm. Is it the trigger/sear mechanism, a triangular device what goes into the trigger guard that ya can spin with a cordless Dremel tool, or is it kinda like a bump stock type device? It is sometimes smart to pick your battles and it seems that the industry making a device for the most hated firearm in my rack wasn't too smart to start with. I know its human nature to go to line of the rules and push a little but then ya run the risk of going over the line and shooting yourself in the foot.

NFA "class 3" is classified a a gun that fires more than one round per pull of the trigger, fully automatic. A bump stock fired one round per pull of the trigger. It just sped up the rate of fire. It all just a path to the ultimate ending they desire. Real question is where will citizens draw the line

 

[Spaz]

NFA "class 3" is classified a a gun that fires more than one round per pull of the trigger, fully automatic. A bump stock fired one round per pull of the trigger. It just sped up the rate of fire. It all just a path to the ultimate ending they desire. Real question is where will citizens draw the line

I have been advocating for the repeal of the GCA and NFA for most of my life. Looking at DOJ BJS reports, since 1995, I have only found 2 murders that have been committed with legally owned machine guns and sub-machine guns.

Also, since 1995, all machine gun trace requests represent less than 1/10th of 1%. The number of traces are that high, only because (based on NCIC stolen gun report) about 7,700 machine guns and sub-machine guns had been stolen. The trace reports are for weapons that have been recovered.

Just think... machine guns are so valuable in the US, that criminals are stealing them, but no one is actually using them for committing crimes... they just want one.

Pretty eye opening research, for me anyway.

 

[rcparker1]

I have been advocating for the repeal of the GCA and NFA for most of my life. Looking at DOJ BJS reports, since 1995, I have only found 2 murders that have been committed with legally owned machine guns and sub-machine guns.

Also, since 1995, all machine gun trace requests represent less than 1/10th of 1%. The number of traces are that high, only because (based on NCIC stolen gun report) about 7,700 machine guns and sub-machine guns had been stolen. The trace reports are for weapons that have been recovered.

Just think... machine guns are so valuable in the US, that criminals are stealing them, but no one is actually using them for committing crimes... they just want one.

Pretty eye opening research, for me anyway.

Another interesting fact most people aren't aware of is that open bolt guns were ban before the may '86 ban of automatics. I believe '82. All this was feel good legislation because of the Cuban gang wars in Miami over coke just like the first nfa registration act was over gang wars in NY and Shitcago As it was so eloquently put " never waste a crisis".

 

[yotehater]

Anything can be used to bump fire with a semi-auto.