Read my previous post. They were hunters before they started BR. It was just a way to compare guns and have some fun competing. MattBe careful thinking a br guy can’t run his app and make cold bore hits at distance once in a while, just saying![]()
Read my previous post. They were hunters before they started BR. It was just a way to compare guns and have some fun competing. MattBe careful thinking a br guy can’t run his app and make cold bore hits at distance once in a while, just saying![]()
Be careful thinking a br guy can’t run his app and make cold bore hits at distance once in a while, just saying![]()
I like the format too, but make no mistake, being one of the first 3 teams up has to be a disadvantage. As long as all teams can spot what's going on, sooner or later the light bulb comes on. You'd be a fool not to gather data of previous shooters. With no sighters and cold bore counts, sometimes I think it would only be fair to have anyone not shooting to not be allowed on glass, period.
Competition is critical. Any form of it. Without peers you have no clue how you stand and if your even any good or not. It drives innovation. 2 moa would still be good if BR never existed. We wouldnt understand building a position and bone support if not for high power and so on. The collective knowledge we all have is because of competition shooters. I dont think ELR will ever be popular. But Im sure there will be innovation because of it that will benefit all shooters.
I agree Doc, and once they get the bug, part of them will go up.
It is quit an artraction...Ed
Very hard to arrange simultaneous firing , due to the long flight time and
shot spotting issues . Many of us have shot competitions where at the
start of the detail , wind picks up significnatly and we drop points .
I’ve had it the other way too , drop down to shoot when the flags drop
and it’s happy times .
Several very talented shooters got screwed by the wind at KO2M this year,
despite conditions being generally better than last year . Anyone who has
run a match knows the difficulties involved . Generally the KO2M crew do
a great job , with what is an emerging discipline .
Maybe there is a way to run shooters through a little faster , by allowing
another shooter to start on the first target , once the first shooter has
moved to the second target . This would require more RO’s and co -
ordination , and introduce potential for confusion and problems .
I live in Australia , and intent to shoot this comp in the future . The
logistics of exporting a firearm and ammunition to US are prohibitive ,
and the thought of expending all that effort to potentially fire only a few
shots is chilling , but still enticing !
They could indeed run more than one target at once. Also, they could pair fire. This event may become like BSN in F-Class, where the match turns away ready competitors who have the skill along with investment in specialized gear, but few large scale events to go to.
As an aside, - absolutely agree that weight limits, especially evolving ones, are onerous.
Can someone explain the logic of why a typical FCSA match shot at 1,000 yards permits a 50 pound 50 cal, but when the distance to be shot is tripled, that same 50 cal from 1,000 yard match now needs to be less substantial?
No one is requiring shooters to select smaller calibers that don’t need to weigh 50 pounds. I would contend that the desirable 2-1/2 inch action for 50’s and .416’s with appropriate scaled barrels and stocks push 50 fitted out. So is the move to suppress custom builds of the big head cases, because only factory builds easily meet weight.
For the guys loyal to .338, this is essentially putting a 17 pound weight limit on your guns and saying it’s common knowledge that a 700 action can work for an LM. But in all likelihood you don’t want the smallest action that works.
The weight reductions squeeze the BMG case guns unfairly and the only question is why that is going on.
I believe it is personal agendas. MattThey could indeed run more than one target at once. Also, they could pair fire. This event may become like BSN in F-Class, where the match turns away ready competitors who have the skill along with investment in specialized gear, but few large scale events to go to.
As an aside, - absolutely agree that weight limits, especially evolving ones, are onerous.
Can someone explain the logic of why a typical FCSA match shot at 1,000 yards permits a 50 pound 50 cal, but when the distance to be shot is tripled, that same 50 cal from 1,000 yard match now needs to be less substantial?
No one is requiring shooters to select smaller calibers that don’t need to weigh 50 pounds. I would contend that the desirable 2-1/2 inch action for 50’s and .416’s with appropriate scaled barrels and stocks push 50 fitted out. So is the move to suppress custom builds of the big head cases, because only factory builds easily meet weight.
For the guys loyal to .338, this is essentially putting a 17 pound weight limit on your guns and saying it’s common knowledge that a 700 action can work for an LM. But in all likelihood you don’t want the smallest action that works.
The weight reductions squeeze the BMG case guns unfairly and the only question is why that is going on.
I agree with the criticism of the "field portable" crock. I like the idea of breaking it into 2 classes. For scoring, what about going into reverse? At any distance, for example, first shot would be full value, second shot would be 90% value, third shot would be 80% value etc.?
Why?
Part 1 - One complaint was it takes over a year for some to get the rifles made, then they change the weight limit. Almost none of "those" rifles are what I consider to be field portable. Dividing into 2 weight classes should alleviate that.
Part 2 - If a person hits on all of his shots, he will accumulate something just under 200,000 points. To me that's getting just plain silly. Absolutely the first shot on any stage should be worth the most - but I don't think a shooter who hits all shots on the first stage should be able to outscore someone who is able to advance to several stages further. Which was another complaint that I saw posted.
Just kicking around ideas in response to what others posted. Hope that answers your questions. If they don't change a thing, I would be just as happy.