6.5 Creedmoor Barrel Contour Help

[chomondely3]

I am planning on a 6.5 Creedmoor with either a Bartlien or Krieger barrel, 8 twist, no fluting, 24 to 26 in finished length. I already have a Borden Mountaineer action, Wyatt box. I have not yet decided on a stock or scope. I will mostly shoot in informal benchrest out to a max of 600 yards. I will also hunt some out of a blind so I am not walking far with the rifle. Accuracy is a higher priority than weight but I want to keep the finished weight to 6 lbs or less. I hand load. I will not be shooting rapid fire or lengthy strings with out sufficient time for the barrel to cool.

I am thinking of a Remington Sendero/ Varmint contour (#13 Bartlien), M24 , #19 Hunter (Krieger) , Heavy Pama (#12 Bartlien) or similar.

Questions:

1. Is there any diference in accuracy given my intended use and weight?

2. Does the length of the breech matter except as to shift weight away from the muzzle? I note that the breech length varies from 2.2 inches Remington Varmint to 4 inches on the M24.

3. Is it reasonable to assume that the weights given by Bartlien and Krieger are reduced by about .4 lbs for clambering and bore diameter? I have tried the Lilja barrel weight calculator but my results seem inconsistent with the factory data.

4. Does muzzle diameter effect accuracy or is just a variable in the finished weight? I like the look of a bigger diameter muzzle, but perhaps I am subconsciously trying to match it to my own muzzle when I look in the mirror.

5. Other suggestions for a contour?



Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

 

[Delfuego]

Creedmoor is like the the Honey Badger. "It don't care". It will always out-shoot you. Even if you do your part...

 

[cjames]

Remington Sendero/ Varmint It should “burn a hole”

 

[Kracken McGraw]

I have a couple of Bartlein #11 medium palmas on McMillan htg’s at 25”, a little nose heavy but can hunt with. I think a heavy Palma might be more strictly bench.

 

[geraldgee]

6 lbs overall weight will be difficult to attain. I have a 6.5 Creed with a Defiance Ultralite with a Proof carbon wrapped barrel and a stock in carbon - it weighs slightly over 6 lbs. it will be hard to get there using a rem varmint barrel but good luck with it

 

[FrankG]

I am planning on a 6.5 Creedmoor with either a Bartlien or Krieger barrel, 8 twist, no fluting, 24 to 26 in finished length. I already have a Borden Mountaineer action, Wyatt box. I have not yet decided on a stock or scope. I will mostly shoot in informal benchrest out to a max of 600 yards. I will also hunt some out of a blind so I am not walking far with the rifle. Accuracy is a higher priority than weight but I want to keep the finished weight to 6 lbs or less. I hand load. I will not be shooting rapid fire or lengthy strings with out sufficient time for the barrel to cool.

I am thinking of a Remington Sendero/ Varmint contour (#13 Bartlien), M24 , #19 Hunter (Krieger) , Heavy Pama (#12 Bartlien) or similar.

Questions:

1. Is there any diference in accuracy given my intended use and weight?

2. Does the length of the breech matter except as to shift weight away from the muzzle? I note that the breech length varies from 2.2 inches Remington Varmint to 4 inches on the M24.

3. Is it reasonable to assume that the weights given by Bartlien and Krieger are reduced by about .4 lbs for clambering and bore diameter? I have tried the Lilja barrel weight calculator but my results seem inconsistent with the factory data.

4. Does muzzle diameter effect accuracy or is just a variable in the finished weight? I like the look of a bigger diameter muzzle, but perhaps I am subconsciously trying to match it to my own muzzle when I look in the mirror.

5. Other suggestions for a contour?



Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

To answer your questions.....for the most part the contour only effects weight. Doesn't have as much of an accuracy impact as some think it does. So with that being said any of the contours you picked would work fine. If more of a bench type gun and occasional hunting put the weight on it. The #14 M40/M24 contour, #9 HV, #12 heavy palma etc...

To your questions....

#1.....not really.

#2.....I like the weight on the breech end more. For one it helps the rifle balance a little better. Also more weight helps tame the recoil a little more as well.

#3......some of the barrel weight calculators work just o.k. Some seem to be really close and some not in the ball park.

#4.....not really. I've seen plenty of LV contour barrels out shoot a HV or even straight blanks etc...even palma's I've seen out shoot a str.taper heavier contour barrel.

#5.....I ask the guy what/how do you want it to look and or what are you using it for? If mostly a bench/prone gun go with the straight taper/heavier contour barrel. If it's a PRS type gun and or a position gun run the Palma type contour (pretty much the same as a Rem. Varmint but I like the longer breech length of the Palma over the Rem. Varmint). I run the heavy palma contour on my PRS gun. Most guys are switching back from the Palma's and back to the heavier M40 and MTU contours etc..for PRS as they seem to want to be putting weight back into the guns. Won't shoot any different though. If your going to run a suppressor at times nothing lighter than a med. palma contour in my opinion.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

 

[chomondely3]

Thanks for your thoughts. i am going with a Remington Varmint contour.
Frank, you will be glad to know that I ordered a Bartlein barrel! A vendor had one in stock so it is on the way.
This will be my first Bartlein barrel and I am sure that it will be great.

Now for a stock, scope, brass, dies, and bullets. At least I have primers and powder.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I am planning on a 6.5 Creedmoor with either a Bartlien or Krieger barrel, 8 twist, no fluting, 24 to 26 in finished length. I already have a Borden Mountaineer action, Wyatt box. I have not yet decided on a stock or scope. I will mostly shoot in informal benchrest out to a max of 600 yards. I will also hunt some out of a blind so I am not walking far with the rifle. Accuracy is a higher priority than weight but I want to keep the finished weight to 6 lbs or less. I hand load. I will not be shooting rapid fire or lengthy strings with out sufficient time for the barrel to cool.

I am thinking of a Remington Sendero/ Varmint contour (#13 Bartlien), M24 , #19 Hunter (Krieger) , Heavy Pama (#12 Bartlien) or similar.

Questions:

1. Is there any diference in accuracy given my intended use and weight?

2. Does the length of the breech matter except as to shift weight away from the muzzle? I note that the breech length varies from 2.2 inches Remington Varmint to 4 inches on the M24.

3. Is it reasonable to assume that the weights given by Bartlien and Krieger are reduced by about .4 lbs for clambering and bore diameter? I have tried the Lilja barrel weight calculator but my results seem inconsistent with the factory data.

4. Does muzzle diameter effect accuracy or is just a variable in the finished weight? I like the look of a bigger diameter muzzle, but perhaps I am subconsciously trying to match it to my own muzzle when I look in the mirror.

5. Other suggestions for a contour?



Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

26" Sendeo contour barrel with 6.5mm bore? Yeah, 6 lbs ain't gonna happen. Might get that weight if you can figure out how to shoot it without a stock True Rem Sendero contour is .830" at the finshed muzzle of a 26" barrel and 6.5mm is not that big of a hole to reduce weight. I have a #5 contour on my 6.5 Rem Mag that is 26" long. It's still big and heavy. Rem Varmint contour is still fairly heavy.

If you truly want a lightweight rifle, think 22"-24" in a #3 contour. 600 yards isn't that far. Dont need a long heavy barrel to get you there. Heck, a 20" barrel would easily get you enough speed. I've seen guys shooting 1K with a 20" barrel on a 308 Win and doing ok.

 

[Gb300wm]

Go with a 24” #5 and heavy spiral fluting to knock off some weight...fluting is the only way to knock off the weight

 

[HTSmith]

Thanks for your thoughts. i am going with a Remington Varmint contour.
Frank, you will be glad to know that I ordered a Bartlein barrel! A vendor had one in stock so it is on the way.
This will be my first Bartlein barrel and I am sure that it will be great.

Now for a stock, scope, brass, dies, and bullets. At least I have primers and powder.

I've sorta been where you are. Pay attention to balance would be my advice. A muzzle heavy rifle doesn't carry well and sometimes doesn't shoot well.

 

[FrankG]

26" Sendeo contour barrel with 6.5mm bore? Yeah, 6 lbs ain't gonna happen. Might get that weight if you can figure out how to shoot it without a stock True Rem Sendero contour is .830" at the finshed muzzle of a 26" barrel and 6.5mm is not that big of a hole to reduce weight.

Unless our scale is way off.....the Rem. Varmint contour is right around 4.65# at 26”.

A med. Palma contour at 30” only weighs around 5.5 pounds.

Go to our contour page and we give weights based on contour and length. Yes hole size of the bore will effect weight but not that much.

Later, Frank

 

[FrankG]

Go with a 24” #5 and heavy spiral fluting to knock off some weight...fluting is the only way to knock off the weight

Skip the fluting and save your money....drop the contour size and save the weight that way.

I rebuilt a older Browning Sako Safari. Originally a .243 with a .550” muzzle diameter at 22”. Duplicated the contour but made the muzzle .600” @ 22” and is now in .260 Rem. With out the scope it weighs 7.5#. With a 2.5x10 NF on it the gun weighs 9#. Will shoot just over 1/2moa with no concerns.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Frank, I'm fully aware of what barrels weigh. I've owned just about every contour and length there is. You're missing the whole point here.

To my understanding, the OP was NOT talking about the barrel weight alone. A 6 lb barrel would be quite large and very long.

"... I will also hunt some out of a blind so I am not walking far with the rifle. Accuracy is a higher priority than weight but I want to keep the finished weight to 6 lbs or less...."

To me, "finished weight" means: action, barrel, trigger, stock, scope base. So I assume he was talking about the entire rifle being 6lbs (assuming not counting an optic). No way in hell is he gonna achieve that with a 26" Rem Varmint or Sendero contour barrel. Then add in a sling, scope, and rings there's even more weight.

OP is gonna be in for a sour surprise when he finds his "light weight" rifle with a heavy barrel finishes out at 9-10 lbs or more after fitting everything to it.

 

[FrankG]

I took his post as saying the finished barrel at 6# or less. As he was only talking barrels in the different contours listed.

If he is talking 6# with the barreled action.....that isn’t going to happen. The bolt and receiver alone on a SA Remmy is just over 2#. If that is what he is talking about then I agree.

He also mentions accuracy is a higher priority than weight.

Maybe the OP should clarify his post for us so we can help him better.

Later, Frank

 

[hogpatrol]

Just a data point, my Rem M7 .17 Fireball, 20" featherweight PacNor barrel, .565 at the muzzle, B&C sporter stock,with Trijicon 2.5-10 scope, no sling, weighs 6.4 pounds.

 

[Rob01]

Since early 2008 I have used Creedmoor barrels from MTU down to Med Palma, my current choice, and all shoot great. More important to buy a quality barrel like Bartlein. Been using a 27" and 28" 8 twist Med Palma for the past few years in matches and like the balance and weight better for matches. I shoot 140 and 147 ELDs. Below is factory 147 ELDs at 650 yards. Shot the bottom three and saw one splash and adjusted POA up slightly and shot last two. I would say the Bartlein med palma does fine

 

[hogpatrol]

Since early 2008 I have used Creedmoor barrels from MTU down to Med Palma, my current choice, and all shoot great. More important to buy a quality barrel like Bartlein. Been using a 27" and 28" 8 twist Med Palma for the past few years in matches and like the balance and weight better for matches. I shoot 140 and 147 ELDs. Below is factory 147 ELDs at 650 yards. Shot the bottom three and saw one splash and adjusted POA up slightly and shot last two. I would say the Bartlein med palma does fine

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[Rob01]

Nothing like a little Elvis lol

 

[FrankG]

Rob, Sorry I missed ya at Shot Show! You walked by me a couple of times but was busy talking to a guys each time!

 

[Rob01]

Yeah same here Frank. It was that kind of show this year in that there was always something going on and I didn't get to talk to everyone I wanted to. My first show in 3 years so made it worse. Hopefully you got out of it without the Shot Show plague. Tony got it Thursday and I got it after I got home. Haven't been that sick in years. LOL