Gold box 6 BR REM

[lpreddick]

I was offered, and bought 2 boxes of Lapua gold box 6 BR brass. Headstamp is "6mm BR REM". When did Lapua change to headstamp " 6mm BR NORMA"? Is there anything about the gold box 6 BR brass that makes it different, good or bad?

 

[ballisticxlr]

6BR Remington is different to 6BR Norma. They're not _quite_ the same thing. The Norma version assumes a longer throat which is better for VLD's. The Remington version would be best for lighter varmint bullets otherwise you sacrifice a bit of case capacity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6mm_BR

EDIT: I don't think there's anything dimensionally different about the brass though. At least I can't see in the drawings if there is.

 

[Grimstod]

Brass will be shorter. About .050 or so in my experience.

 

[Webster]

I was offered, and bought 2 boxes of Lapua gold box 6 BR brass. Headstamp is "6mm BR REM". When did Lapua change to headstamp " 6mm BR NORMA"? Is there anything about the gold box 6 BR brass that makes it different, good or bad?

I thought that Remington refused to license Lapua to make 6BR Rem brass. That was the reason Lapua developed the 6BR Norma to get around the patent???

 

[lpreddick]

Brass will be shorter. About .050 or so in my experience.

I've measured 25 cases from gold and blue...Gold is .001- .0015 longer. Gold's neck wall thickness slightly more.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I've measured 25 cases from gold and blue...Gold is .001- .0015 longer. Gold's neck wall thickness slightly more.

I think he meant br-rem as opposed to br-norma

 

[butchlambert]

From the drawings the only difference that I see is the radius at the shoulder neck juncture.

 

[Webster]

I was offered, and bought 2 boxes of Lapua gold box 6 BR brass. Headstamp is "6mm BR REM". When did Lapua change to headstamp " 6mm BR NORMA"? Is there anything about the gold box 6 BR brass that makes it different, good or bad?

Gold Box implies it's 6BR Norma. Lapua never made 6BR Rem because of the patent?????

 

[butchlambert]

Well, My gold box says 6BR Norma

 

[lpreddick]

Gold Box implies it's 6BR Norma. Lapua never made 6BR Rem because of the patent?????

 

[lpreddick]

Headstamp pic...the 2 boxes are same lot.

 

[lpreddick]

Well, My gold box says 6BR Norma

So, how old are mine?

 

[dkhunt14]

Maybe they produced some and found out Remington owned a patent. Then changed it 6 norma. Matt

 

[Webster]

I was offered, and bought 2 boxes of Lapua gold box 6 BR brass. Headstamp is "6mm BR REM". When did Lapua change to headstamp " 6mm BR NORMA"? Is there anything about the gold box 6 BR brass that makes it different, good or bad?

Where the boxes open when you bought them. Did someone put old Lapua Rem cases into a new Lapua Gold box? I thought the Gold box was the latest Lapua release. 6mmbr Norma: brown box, blue box, gold box. There are a few thou difference in the body diameter and a difference in the neck length between the Rem and Norma version. Lapua had to make enough dimension changes that the 6mmBR Norma could be patented as a new cartridge. I E-mailed Lapua and asked what years they made the 6mmBR Rem and the years for 6mmBR Norma. Apparently Lapua made some 6mmBR Rem cases violating the Rem patent, then Rem forced Lapua to make the 6 Norma to get away from the patent.

 

[lpreddick]

Both boxes unopened. My source says he got this brass and some bullet making dies from someone who feels they are 40 years old. The case diagrams show 2 differences in the 6mm BR Norma...the neck/ shoulder radius and the angle of the outside edge of the rim's base. Did Lapua do this after a patent infringement accusation? I sent a private msg to Kevin Thomas asking if he would be so kind as to clarify this observation.

 

[Webster]

Both boxes unopened. My source says he got this brass and some bullet making dies from someone who feels they are 40 years old. The case diagrams show 2 differences in the 6mm BR Norma...the neck/ shoulder radius and the angle of the outside edge of the rim's base. Did Lapua do this after a patent infringement accusation? I sent a private msg to Kevin Thomas asking if he would be so kind as to clarify this observation. View attachment 1090526 View attachment 1090532

Don't understand your cartridge drawings. Lapua couldn't get a patent for a new cartridge with those two tiny changes. SAAMI doesn't have the drawings for the 6mmBR Rem or Norma on their webside. For some cartridges like the 6ppc there are many reamer versions. Don't know where you got your drawings from but I don't think they are correct. I saw an article a few years ago that told the history of the Rem & Norma. The drawings I saw had a few meaninless thou diff in body diameter and a longer neck on one of them. Both drawings above have a 0.322" neck length. My 6mmBR Norma cases are trimmed to 1.560" total length and a neck 0.314" long. Does it really matter, you either have a Rem or Norma barrel. I don't know if you can FF a Rem to Norma dimensions?

Just saw you got your drawings from WIKI.

 

[butchlambert]

So, how old are mine?

So why would I know or care? I just posted what my Gold Box 6BR was headstampoed.

 

[Milo 2.0]

Maybe an email to Lapua would yield an answer ???
If I had been you, I would have loaded them up, won a match, then get up and display your New brass, letting the crowd know Lapua only makes this gem for you, exclusively.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Gold box and brown box are the same.

Where the boxes open when you bought them. Did someone put old Lapua Rem cases into a new Lapua Gold box? I thought the Gold box was the latest Lapua release. 6mmbr Norma: brown box, blue box, gold box. There are a few thou difference in the body diameter and a difference in the neck length between the Rem and Norma version. Lapua had to make enough dimension changes that the 6mmBR Norma could be patented as a new cartridge. I E-mailed Lapua and asked what years they made the 6mmBR Rem and the years for 6mmBR Norma. Apparently Lapua made some 6mmBR Rem cases violating the Rem patent, then Rem forced Lapua to make the 6 Norma to get away from the patent.

 

[Webster]

Don't understand your cartridge drawings. Lapua couldn't get a patent for a new cartridge with those two tiny changes. SAAMI doesn't have the drawings for the 6mmBR Rem or Norma on their webside. For some cartridges like the 6ppc there are many reamer versions. Don't know where you got your drawings from but I don't think they are correct. I saw an article a few years ago that told the history of the Rem & Norma. The drawings I saw had a few meaninless thou diff in body diameter and a longer neck on one of them. Both drawings above have a 0.322" neck length. My 6mmBR Norma cases are trimmed to 1.560" total length and a neck 0.314" long. Does it really matter, you either have a Rem or Norma barrel. I don't know if you can FF a Rem to Norma dimensions?

Just saw you got your drawings from WIKI.

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Message: What years did you make 6mmBR Reminton Brass? When did you start making 6mmBR Norma brass?


Reply: From Lapua. Still confusing. The cases are stamped Lapua???
Bill,
Our 6BR cartridge cases have always been made to the 6BR NORMA specs. Only Remington made the 6BR Remington cartridge cases.

Take care,

Phil Hoham
Technical Support
Capstone Precision Group, LLC

24732 Randall Rd. | Sedalia, MO 65301
Tel: 660-460-2802
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Looked up Capstone they are a distributor and not part of Lapua.

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