Tuning on the fly.
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tom
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Terry,
Hope you're staying warm over there! Tuning by using "modified" ladder tests is helpful for what you're asking about. So to speak, you are killing two birds with one stone... A- you identify the middle of your powder and seating node. B- you see what the tendencies are when it goes above and below them. This gives you a half arsed chance at reading your targets anyway. It's still really hard to identify if it was that other thing involved (conditions).
I wish it was as easy as subtracting powder a tenth if I see a stray shot out the top....But oh NO, what if my neighbors targets did exactly the same thing.....CRAP!
Tom
Hope you're staying warm over there! Tuning by using "modified" ladder tests is helpful for what you're asking about. So to speak, you are killing two birds with one stone... A- you identify the middle of your powder and seating node. B- you see what the tendencies are when it goes above and below them. This gives you a half arsed chance at reading your targets anyway. It's still really hard to identify if it was that other thing involved (conditions).
I wish it was as easy as subtracting powder a tenth if I see a stray shot out the top....But oh NO, what if my neighbors targets did exactly the same thing.....CRAP!Tom
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Alex Wheeler
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Like Tom said, its pretty common at deep creek for guys to tune their loads daily. No time to do it between targets. I prefer ladders and powder tweaks, others have used seating depth. If a temp swing happens during the day, control the temp of your ammo the best you can. Even keeping records rounds in a pocket can make all the difference.
ttfreestyle
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I’m never gonna get all this under control, geez.
shoot4fun
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I use the same Dasher load for all conditions. I always have one group for the day that is a "good one" and it's usually the 4th one.
The rest of the time I just act like I know what I'm doing.
6BRAckley
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That’s the fun part, Troy! 
If it were easy anyone could do it well. Good luck this BR season.
If it were easy anyone could do it well. Good luck this BR season.
ttfreestyle
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Thanks, I have one match under my belt. Now I am going to try and get a complete season and learn from you guys!That’s the fun part, Troy!
Shooter13
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Exactly what I am going to "try" and do!
Alex Wheeler
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All rifles go out of tune. You may get very lucky with a barrel that holds tune really well, but if you want it shooting its best you need to stay on top of it. Keep records of temperatures and what charge shot best so you can predict a load for the next day. If your able to tune at the range do it every night and load for the next day. Seating depth should be check and adjusted to follow the throat every time you clean the barrel or load ammo. Occasionally it should be re tested as well. Cases need to be kept on the same cycle and seating force paid attention to even if your annealing every time. The guys winning are willing to do this stuff so if you want to beat them you'll have to do the same.
ttfreestyle
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Y’all need to have a tuning class before the match in June
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Alex Wheeler
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I was just talking to Tom about doing something like this. The Chevy dealer in Missoula has big conference rooms we are welcome to use. Or you can just move to Montana and come to all the matches at deep creek which would be better yet.
ttfreestyle
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I’m in on both!!! 4 years 8 months and I’m heading west but for now I’ll attend the tuning class.......
dcali
Bullet Maker
Yes. It’s basically impossible to tune on the fly in f class because of the way the matches are run. The best you can do is to try to prepare in advance. But then again, the accuracy requirements for f class are little more forgiving than benchrest.
Y’all need to have a tuning class before the match in June
http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/1000-yard-benchrest-school-at-deep-creek.3904153/
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Yes. It’s basically impossible to tune on the fly in f class because of the way the matches are run. The best you can do is to try to prepare in advance. But then again, snip....and add.... you could run a tuner
Alex Wheeler
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We have similar issues as F-class. We have pit duty as well, at least at deep creek. The best we can do is load the night before with our best guess. I did the same for the last open match I shot. Problem with F-class is the quantity of ammo is so much more thats not fun to do at the hotel room.
Ned Ludd
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The use of a tuner is a fine addition to a well-tuned load. Adding one does not, however, make up for deficiencies in any of the other critical aspects of load development, including charge weight and seating depth testing. Due to the match format and number of rounds required, there is simply not enough time to load ammo during a typical F-Class match.
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