700 action
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tclaunch
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Unless he has gone up, I had 2 done by Southern Precision, aka Bugholes, and was pleased. He charged $250.00 which included an aftermarket recoil lug.
Both the bolt and action body must be placed in a jig and set up running true in the lathe, then light cuts are made on the lug abutments and receiver face. The bolt face and locking lugs also receive a light cut..
Both the bolt and action body must be placed in a jig and set up running true in the lathe, then light cuts are made on the lug abutments and receiver face. The bolt face and locking lugs also receive a light cut..
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butchlambert
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A true waste of your money on a hunting rifle. Barrel, bedding, and trigger.
Imo its a waste of money in general, by the time its all done add $100 and you can afford a custom action. At the same time you spend $400 on a SS 700 action, spend 250 getting it trued its still a $400 action.
400 for action, 250 for truing, plus 100 == 750
tell me where to buy, I want to buy a dozen
I don't disagree, it is a waste of money
JohnHenry
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butchlambert
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John Henry, Bob Green is very good, but what is he doing for the money? Some of us have different ideas on truing "squaring" an action. I would want a step by step quotation of what they are doing.
Again, it is a waste of money on a hunting rifle.
Dusty Stevens
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Kelbly atlas is close, gunwerx is cheaper along with that one guy on here selling TL technologies actions for 5-600
The million dollar question is what kind of groups are you getting before you invest all this money; if the rifle is shooting sub MOA already leave it alone.
carlsbad
Lions don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.
For a hunting rifle I would tune the bolt to be smoother and take out cock on close (just to make it cycle smoother). I'd bush the firing pin to ensure no cratering with hot loads which can affect bolt lift.
If I wanted to put more money into it, I'd put a PTG bolt in it. If done correctly it will be extremely smooth and improve extraction.
--Jerry
If I wanted to put more money into it, I'd put a PTG bolt in it. If done correctly it will be extremely smooth and improve extraction.
--Jerry
Depends on what you're hunting, Butch.
butchlambert
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Barrel, bedding, and trigger are 95%. If I had to shoot a mouse at 1000 yards, I would build it with a custom receiver.
If you truly worked your Remington receiver to come close to matching a custom? $250 won't come close.
I hear people say that going through truing and blueprinting is a waste of time on hunting rifles all the time. But, I know of a lot of hunters that are hunting with magnum calibers out to 750 yards to 1000 yards. If you don't think so, check out Long Range Only forum.
Unlike competitions, you don't get any sighting rounds.The first round must be perfect or you can kiss the game good by. Worse is to have the shot off the small kill area and wound an animal that you now have to track. This causes the animal to suffer and puts undo stress causing adrenaline to flood their body and ruining the meat.
My opinion that truing a hunting rifle action would make good sense when shooting any kind of distance.
Unlike competitions, you don't get any sighting rounds.The first round must be perfect or you can kiss the game good by. Worse is to have the shot off the small kill area and wound an animal that you now have to track. This causes the animal to suffer and puts undo stress causing adrenaline to flood their body and ruining the meat.
My opinion that truing a hunting rifle action would make good sense when shooting any kind of distance.
butchlambert
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Papa Charlie, that is why my personal hunting limit is 300yards. I won't get into an argument about what is an acceptable yardage limit to hunting. I do have a good friend that hunts hogs at 800 yards, but he is hunting from a permanent sturdy bench at a know yardage to his corn feeder. He uses a 300 Ultra Mag Remington with custom barrel, Jewell trigger, and it is bedded. He also has a top of the line Schmidt and Bender scope.
Yes, Back in the past I took a Remington 700 in 25-06 and shot it with a few loads to get a baseline. I made changes one at a time and testing. Started with a bedded stock, the trigger, and then a custom barrel. It did shoot better with the trigger making the most different. It was now a 1MOA rifle. The receiver was squared, receiver threads straightened with virtually no change in accuracy. Of course it was one of Remington's later receivers done on CNC equipment. The threads were virtually perfect before they were single point touched up. Doubt it took .003". The bolt was sent to Dan Armstrong to install and tig a custom bolt handle on it a fixed the primary extraction. This was not a true "blueprint" as the bolt was not bushed and fit to the receiver bore. I doubt all of this work and expense was worth it for no more accuracy that was gained.
Several years ago I built one of my young Grandsons a 6X47 Lapua. I did the real "blueprint". Started with a 600 receiver, reamed the raceway, recut the lug abutments, face of the receiver, and single point threaded the barrel threads to true them. I added an external bolt release.
and made a cut on the RH side of the receiver. Also drilled and taped the ear receiver screw with a 1/4X28. I bought a PT&G bolt that fit the newly reamed receiver raceway. It has the M16 extractor and the .062 firing pin. It has a 3POS safety. Dan Armstrong installed the bolt handle. At this stage I could have bought a Stiller receiver.
Yes it shoots very well, but if it is ever sold the resale value will be way below one with a custom receiver.
Yes, Back in the past I took a Remington 700 in 25-06 and shot it with a few loads to get a baseline. I made changes one at a time and testing. Started with a bedded stock, the trigger, and then a custom barrel. It did shoot better with the trigger making the most different. It was now a 1MOA rifle. The receiver was squared, receiver threads straightened with virtually no change in accuracy. Of course it was one of Remington's later receivers done on CNC equipment. The threads were virtually perfect before they were single point touched up. Doubt it took .003". The bolt was sent to Dan Armstrong to install and tig a custom bolt handle on it a fixed the primary extraction. This was not a true "blueprint" as the bolt was not bushed and fit to the receiver bore. I doubt all of this work and expense was worth it for no more accuracy that was gained.
Several years ago I built one of my young Grandsons a 6X47 Lapua. I did the real "blueprint". Started with a 600 receiver, reamed the raceway, recut the lug abutments, face of the receiver, and single point threaded the barrel threads to true them. I added an external bolt release.
and made a cut on the RH side of the receiver. Also drilled and taped the ear receiver screw with a 1/4X28. I bought a PT&G bolt that fit the newly reamed receiver raceway. It has the M16 extractor and the .062 firing pin. It has a 3POS safety. Dan Armstrong installed the bolt handle. At this stage I could have bought a Stiller receiver.
Yes it shoots very well, but if it is ever sold the resale value will be way below one with a custom receiver.
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I am with you on this one,a living breathing animal deserves the attention to detail ...
Papa Charlie, that is why my personal hunting limit is 300yards. I won't get into an argument about what is an acceptable yardage limit to hunting. I do have a good friend that hunts hogs at 800 yards, but he is hunting from a permanent sturdy bench at a know yardage to his corn feeder. He uses a 300 Ultra Mag Remington with custom barrel, Jewell trigger, and it is bedded. He also has a top of the line Schmidt and Bender scope.
Yes, Back in the past I took a Remington 700 in 25-06 and shot it with a few loads to get a baseline. I made changes one at a time and testing. Started with a bedded stock, the trigger, and then a custom barrel. It did shoot better with the trigger making the most different. It was now a 1MOA rifle. The receiver was squared, receiver threads straightened with virtually no change in accuracy. Of course it was one of Remington's later receivers done on CNC equipment. The threads were virtually perfect before they were single point touched up. Doubt it took .003". The bolt was sent to Dan Armstrong to install and tig a custom bolt handle on it a fixed the primary extraction. This was not a true "blueprint" as the bolt was not bushed and fit to the receiver bore. I doubt all of this work and expense was worth it for no more accuracy that was gained.
Several years ago I built one of my young Grandsons a 6X47 Lapua. I did the real "blueprint". Started with a 600 receiver, eamed the raceway, recut the lug abutments, face of the receiver, and single point threaded the barrel threads to true them. I added an external bolt release.
and made a cut on the RH side of the receiver. Also drilled and taped the ear receiver screw with a 1/4X28. I bought a PT&G bolt that fit the newly reamed receiver raceway. It has the M16 extractor and the .062 firing pin. It has a 3POS safety. Dan Armstrong installed the bolt handle. At this stage I could have bought a Stiller receiver.
Yes it shoots very well, but if it is ever sold the resale value will be way below one with a custom receiver.
I also don't wish to argue, no point in it. You have a different opinion that I do, doesn't mean that either one of us is wrong or right.
As to getting a return on the cost of our improvements, I do agree, most times it is money spent, not an investment. As to trying to improve a factory action or going with a custom one, well yes the custom will have more resale value. But, not everyone has the money to spend on a custom action and everything that goes with it. Instead we do what we can to improve what we have.
Because we don't agree, does not mean that I don't respect your opinion. Your knowledge has been proven many times on this forum.
the two things not factored in here are:
1. most of us already have a 700 action sitting around, or a rifle.
2. for most of us, it is easier to accurize a 700 in two stages than shell out $1000+ all at once for a custom action. I can squeeze the cash for a trigger one month, a barrel one month, two months for a stock, and then save about four months to have the rifle built. Four to six months for a custom action alone...
1. most of us already have a 700 action sitting around, or a rifle.
2. for most of us, it is easier to accurize a 700 in two stages than shell out $1000+ all at once for a custom action. I can squeeze the cash for a trigger one month, a barrel one month, two months for a stock, and then save about four months to have the rifle built. Four to six months for a custom action alone...
Someoldguy
Since you have brought up convenience and personal preference, I prefer to have 3 rifles, for example, that shoot extremely well of known quality than a gunsafe full of factory rifles with various stages of modification in hope of achieving similar results.
I guess I prefer to keep things simple. Just my personal perspective, everyone's situation is different.
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