Guys, Marine recruits in basic training pull pits for other recruits during their rifle qualification, and manage not to get killed (for the most part) while a loaded rifle is pointed in their direction. The reason I make this point is that a Marine recruit is the dumbest form of human on the planet. I know because I was one...
Details on AR Tactical in NRA High Power (Midrange)
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Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
Ned Ludd
Silver $$ Contributor
Not all that long ago, Camp Pendleton installed brand new target carriers at Ranges 103, 116, and 117, and possibly other ranges as well. The total number of target carriers required was in the neighborhood of >180. So it's not like the Marines can't afford the new technology. However, from the taxpayer's POV, it would have been nice if the e-target technology had been developed sufficiently before all those new target carriers were purchased.
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
This past weekend, I finally shot my first match in this discipline shooting at a Bayou Rifles 300 yard match. I've been meaning to do this for a while but we don't shoot 300 yard matches very much and I didn't want to start off at 600 yards right away.
It was 32 degrees in the morning at Bayou and for the first time, in a long time, I actually wore a jacket, over my customary short-sleeved shirt.
For the match I used my ArmaLite AR-10B (T) with a 20 inch barrel, a PRS stock, a V-Ltor bipod, a bean bag and I cheated by use a sled instead of opting to fight with a big-ass magazine with frozen fingers to single-round load. The scope is a 2.5-10X44 Nikon Tactical (old Monarch) with a Mil-dot illuminate reticle, in a Larue QD mount. There are other internals things that I did to the rifle to bring it up to my usual AR specs, including a Geissele trigger.
The ammo is my .308 blasting ammo; Winchester brass, IMR 4064, Russian LRP and Nosler 175gr HP-BT bullets, loaded to mag-length. I load this stuff using a Chargemaster +/- .1 gr. The bullets are not processed in any way; I seat them from the box.
I have only had about 20 rounds through the rifle since I bought it new some years back. So I was looking forward to shooting it. Man, it was cold.
An AR-10 is a heavy rifle. This whole setup is right at 14.2 pounds. I'm going to replace the scope mount for 2 reason; 1- bring the weight down to under 14 pounds and 2- get higher line of sight.
I wanted to follow the intent of the rules as I read them, as much as possible for the first time out. I used my mat, but not my Seb rear bag; just a bean bag which proved to be too small. I also did not use my bipod platform, opting to stick the V-LTOR bipod with in the grass at the 300 yard line. I did use my elbow pad for my right elbow and I positioned my rifle case beside me to catch all my brass, which piled up nicely in on clump. I'm sure my neighbor my right appreciated the gesture; that brass is big and HOT.
I only had a 100 yard zero and so I added 2 MOAs elevation to start, hoping to be on paper on the first shot and going from there.
I was on relay 3 and when my relay was called, the temperature was now a balmy 33 degrees and the wind was in our face at about 8 MPHs. It shifted to the right for a few hours and then at that end it was back in our face, mostly.
Setting up was surprisingly quick and easy, throw the mat down and put the rifle on top with the bean bag on the side next to the ammo box. That was it. I elected to leave the spotting scope at home, I had enough stuff to chill my fingers.
I got behind the rifle and discovered 2 things; 1, the bean bag was way too small and 2- the scope was mounted too low to use from prone. Those too items haunted me all day. So, I loaded the first cartridge after the targets came up and pressed the trigger for the first round. And pressed. And pressed. I knew the Geissele was much heavier than my 1.5 ounce Jewell, but this was ridiculous. Then I remembered something called a "safety." I don't have one of those on my F-TR Match rifle, but the AR-10 has one. Sigh.
The first round was gone and the target was going down. The scope's battery compartment had smacked my cap in the brim. I readjusted everything and the target came back up. I did get on paper, just below the black at 6 o'clock. Great. I adjusted the scope, took a few more sighters to confirm and then went into my string. I had some funny shots and some Xs. The rifle was giving me a headache and I was not comfortable behind it I ended up with a 185-something or some such.
Removing the equipment from the line was easy, compared to all the junk I have in F-TR, not the least of which is the 92 pound Seb rear bag loaded with osmium.
On the next match, I actually started concentrating on my shooting rather than the setup, and at one point, I though I had it right when I shot 5 Xs in a row and then I threw an 8 or some such. My headache was back and I had trouble focusing. I shot another 185- something. The solid string had shown me that the rifle/ammo could do it but I was fighting it.
The final match quickly followed and I got behind the rifle and started shooting. This time I was concentrating on my form, doing followhtrough, all the good stuff. I was going quite well, but my eye was going batty and the headache was coming back. At one point it got so bad, I just pulled the trigger so I could be done with the shot; something I would never do in a real match, and got rewarded with an 8. I tried to regain my form and my eye was just going crazy but I managed to finish with a 195-something. That 8 was definitely my form, the other points I lost were to elevation, which I think a better bean bag would have alleviated. My big problem was my eyesight. I believe this was due to a low rifle and the scope being too close to the rifle also and I was straining my eye to look up through the scope and it was a bad thing to do.
Apart from my setup issues, I found this match to be an absolute blast; it was a lot of fun and I intend to continue with it a 600 yards. My scorer mentioned that the muzzle blast was impressive; 20 inch barrel for a .308 is short. The ammo is not loaded hot like my F-TR ammo. I would have to see how that would come out.
As for the rules: I think the idea of making a sled illegal is downright stupid; either let us shoot from the magazine or let us use a sled; I opt for the sled myself.
If we are going to stay with the 2MOA targets, we need to limit the ammo to mag-length. On the 2MOA targets with tune match ammo, this is going to be an X-count competition and if you happen to drop a point; you're toast. Not a good thing, not what the intent is.
If we do not want to enforce the ammo specs, and with the fact calibers other than .223 and .308 are allowed, we need to use 1MOA targets, (F-Class.)
I shot the first match at 4.5 power; then I shot the subsequent matches at 10X. I think 15X is ok as a limit; I would have preferred 10X or 20X. 10x for the 2MOA targets and 20X for the 1MOA (F-Class) targets.
It was 32 degrees in the morning at Bayou and for the first time, in a long time, I actually wore a jacket, over my customary short-sleeved shirt.
For the match I used my ArmaLite AR-10B (T) with a 20 inch barrel, a PRS stock, a V-Ltor bipod, a bean bag and I cheated by use a sled instead of opting to fight with a big-ass magazine with frozen fingers to single-round load. The scope is a 2.5-10X44 Nikon Tactical (old Monarch) with a Mil-dot illuminate reticle, in a Larue QD mount. There are other internals things that I did to the rifle to bring it up to my usual AR specs, including a Geissele trigger.
The ammo is my .308 blasting ammo; Winchester brass, IMR 4064, Russian LRP and Nosler 175gr HP-BT bullets, loaded to mag-length. I load this stuff using a Chargemaster +/- .1 gr. The bullets are not processed in any way; I seat them from the box.
I have only had about 20 rounds through the rifle since I bought it new some years back. So I was looking forward to shooting it. Man, it was cold.
An AR-10 is a heavy rifle. This whole setup is right at 14.2 pounds. I'm going to replace the scope mount for 2 reason; 1- bring the weight down to under 14 pounds and 2- get higher line of sight.
I wanted to follow the intent of the rules as I read them, as much as possible for the first time out. I used my mat, but not my Seb rear bag; just a bean bag which proved to be too small. I also did not use my bipod platform, opting to stick the V-LTOR bipod with in the grass at the 300 yard line. I did use my elbow pad for my right elbow and I positioned my rifle case beside me to catch all my brass, which piled up nicely in on clump. I'm sure my neighbor my right appreciated the gesture; that brass is big and HOT.
I only had a 100 yard zero and so I added 2 MOAs elevation to start, hoping to be on paper on the first shot and going from there.
I was on relay 3 and when my relay was called, the temperature was now a balmy 33 degrees and the wind was in our face at about 8 MPHs. It shifted to the right for a few hours and then at that end it was back in our face, mostly.
Setting up was surprisingly quick and easy, throw the mat down and put the rifle on top with the bean bag on the side next to the ammo box. That was it. I elected to leave the spotting scope at home, I had enough stuff to chill my fingers.
I got behind the rifle and discovered 2 things; 1, the bean bag was way too small and 2- the scope was mounted too low to use from prone. Those too items haunted me all day. So, I loaded the first cartridge after the targets came up and pressed the trigger for the first round. And pressed. And pressed. I knew the Geissele was much heavier than my 1.5 ounce Jewell, but this was ridiculous. Then I remembered something called a "safety." I don't have one of those on my F-TR Match rifle, but the AR-10 has one. Sigh.
The first round was gone and the target was going down. The scope's battery compartment had smacked my cap in the brim. I readjusted everything and the target came back up. I did get on paper, just below the black at 6 o'clock. Great. I adjusted the scope, took a few more sighters to confirm and then went into my string. I had some funny shots and some Xs. The rifle was giving me a headache and I was not comfortable behind it I ended up with a 185-something or some such.
Removing the equipment from the line was easy, compared to all the junk I have in F-TR, not the least of which is the 92 pound Seb rear bag loaded with osmium.
On the next match, I actually started concentrating on my shooting rather than the setup, and at one point, I though I had it right when I shot 5 Xs in a row and then I threw an 8 or some such. My headache was back and I had trouble focusing. I shot another 185- something. The solid string had shown me that the rifle/ammo could do it but I was fighting it.
The final match quickly followed and I got behind the rifle and started shooting. This time I was concentrating on my form, doing followhtrough, all the good stuff. I was going quite well, but my eye was going batty and the headache was coming back. At one point it got so bad, I just pulled the trigger so I could be done with the shot; something I would never do in a real match, and got rewarded with an 8. I tried to regain my form and my eye was just going crazy but I managed to finish with a 195-something. That 8 was definitely my form, the other points I lost were to elevation, which I think a better bean bag would have alleviated. My big problem was my eyesight. I believe this was due to a low rifle and the scope being too close to the rifle also and I was straining my eye to look up through the scope and it was a bad thing to do.
Apart from my setup issues, I found this match to be an absolute blast; it was a lot of fun and I intend to continue with it a 600 yards. My scorer mentioned that the muzzle blast was impressive; 20 inch barrel for a .308 is short. The ammo is not loaded hot like my F-TR ammo. I would have to see how that would come out.
As for the rules: I think the idea of making a sled illegal is downright stupid; either let us shoot from the magazine or let us use a sled; I opt for the sled myself.
If we are going to stay with the 2MOA targets, we need to limit the ammo to mag-length. On the 2MOA targets with tune match ammo, this is going to be an X-count competition and if you happen to drop a point; you're toast. Not a good thing, not what the intent is.
If we do not want to enforce the ammo specs, and with the fact calibers other than .223 and .308 are allowed, we need to use 1MOA targets, (F-Class.)
I shot the first match at 4.5 power; then I shot the subsequent matches at 10X. I think 15X is ok as a limit; I would have preferred 10X or 20X. 10x for the 2MOA targets and 20X for the 1MOA (F-Class) targets.
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Denys is correct. The Tactical AR Class is a blast! This past Sunday was my second time shooting. Hopefully the interest/participation grows.
Shooting tactical AR mid range competition can be done pretty affordably.
I'm shooting a <$600 Homebuilt AR. Anderson Lower w/A2 Stock & Rock River Trigger. Noreen Billet Upper w/Radical Firearms 15" Handguard & 5.56 NATO Wilson Arms 16" 1/8 Chromoly Barrel. My 1st time out I used my Range Bag as a front rest. Yesterday I used a Leapers/UTG Recon Bipod.
Optic is an SWFA 10X bought on Black Friday w/SWFA SSALT Mount(approx. $300)
Ammo is handloaded(approx. 0.25/rd.) range pickup LC brass. 77smk pulled projectiles loaded to mag length(2.260") but single fed.
I'm having a great time & beginning to learn to read wind(especially at 600)using the 77 grain bullet.
Looking forward to the next match!
Thank You to all the guys at Bayou Rifles for putting on a great program
Shooting tactical AR mid range competition can be done pretty affordably.
I'm shooting a <$600 Homebuilt AR. Anderson Lower w/A2 Stock & Rock River Trigger. Noreen Billet Upper w/Radical Firearms 15" Handguard & 5.56 NATO Wilson Arms 16" 1/8 Chromoly Barrel. My 1st time out I used my Range Bag as a front rest. Yesterday I used a Leapers/UTG Recon Bipod.
Optic is an SWFA 10X bought on Black Friday w/SWFA SSALT Mount(approx. $300)
Ammo is handloaded(approx. 0.25/rd.) range pickup LC brass. 77smk pulled projectiles loaded to mag length(2.260") but single fed.
I'm having a great time & beginning to learn to read wind(especially at 600)using the 77 grain bullet.
Looking forward to the next match!
Thank You to all the guys at Bayou Rifles for putting on a great program
This past weekend, I finally shot my first match in this discipline shooting at a Bayou Rifles 300 yard match. I've been meaning to do this for a while but we don't shoot 300 yard matches very much and I didn't want to start off at 600 yards right away.
It was 32 degrees in the morning at Bayou and for the first time, in a long time, I actually wore a jacket, over my customary short-sleeved shirt.
For the match I used my ArmaLite AR-10B (T) with a 20 inch barrel, a PRS stock, a V-Ltor bipod, a bean bag and I cheated by use a sled instead of opting to fight with a big-ass magazine with frozen fingers to single-round load. The scope is a 2.5-10X44 Nikon Tactical (old Monarch) with a Mil-dot illuminate reticle, in a Larue QD mount. There are other internals things that I did to the rifle to bring it up to my usual AR specs, including a Geissele trigger.
The ammo is my .308 blasting ammo; Winchester brass, IMR 4064, Russian LRP and Nosler 175gr HP-BT bullets, loaded to mag-length. I load this stuff using a Chargemaster +/- .1 gr. The bullets are not processed in any way; I seat them from the box.
I have only had about 20 rounds through the rifle since I bought it new some years back. So I was looking forward to shooting it. Man, it was cold.
An AR-10 is a heavy rifle. This whole setup is right at 15.2 pounds. I'm going to replace the scope mount for 2 reason; 1 bring the weight down to under 15 pounds and 2 get higher line of sight.
I wanted to follow the intent of the rules as I read them, as much as possible for the first time out. I used my mat, but not my Seb rear bag; just a bean bag which proved to be too small. I also did not use my bipod platform, opting to stick the V-LTOR bipod with in the grass at the 300 yard line. I did use my elbow pad for my right elbow and I positioned my rifle case beside me to catch all my brass, which piled up nicely in on clump. I'm sure my neighbor my right appreciated the gesture; that brass is big and HOT.
I only had a 100 yard zero and so I added 2 MOAs elevation to start, hoping to be on paper on the first shot and going from there.
I was on relay 3 and when my relay was called, the temperature was now a balmy 33 degrees and the wind was in our face at about 8 MPHs. It shifted to the right for a few hours and then at that end it was back in our face, mostly.
Setting up was surprisingly quick and easy, throw the mat down and put the rifle on top with the bean bag on the side next to the ammo box. That was it. I elected to leave the spotting scope at home, I had enough stuff to chill my fingers.
I got behind the rifle and discovered 2 things; 1, the bean bag was way too small and 2- the scope was mounted too low to use from prone. Those too items haunted me all day. So, I loaded the first cartridge after the targets came up and pressed the trigger for the first round. And pressed. And pressed. I knew the Geissele was much heavier than my 1.5 ounce Jewell, but this was ridiculous. Then I remembered something called a "safety." I don't have one of those on my F-TR Match rifle, but the AR-10 has one. Sigh.
The first round was gone and the target was going down. The scope's battery compartment had smacked my cap in the brim. I readjusted everything and the target came back up. I did get on paper, just below the black at 6 o'clock. Great. I adjusted the scope, took a few more sighters to confirm and then went into my string. I had some funny shots and some Xs. The rifle was giving me a headache and I was not comfortable behind it I ended up with a 185-something or some such.
Removing the equipment from the line was easy, compared to all the junk I have in F-TR, not the least of which is the 92 pound Seb rear bag loaded with osmium.
On the next match, I actually started concentrating on my shooting rather than the setup, and at one point, I though I had it right when I shot 5 Xs in a row and then I threw an 8 or some such. My headache was back and I had trouble focusing. I shot another 185- something. The solid string had shown me that the rifle/ammo could do it but I was fighting it.
The final match quickly followed and I got behind the rifle and started shooting. This time I was concentrating on my form, doing followhtrough, all the good stuff. I was going quite well, but my eye was going batty and the headache was coming back. At one point it got so bad, I just pulled the trigger so I could be done with the shot; something I would never do in a real match, and got rewarded with an 8. I tried to regain my form and my eye was just going crazy but I managed to finish with a 195-something. That 8 was definitely my form, the other points I lost were to elevation, which I think a better bean bag would have alleviated. My big problem was my eyesight. I believe this was due to a low rifle and the scope being too close to the rifle also and I was straining my eye to look up through the scope and it was a bad thing to do.
Apart from my setup issues, I found this match to be an absolute blast; it was a lot of fun and I intend to continue with it a 600 yards. My scorer mentioned that the muzzle blast was impressive; 20 inch barrel for a .308 is short. The ammo is not loaded hot like my F-TR ammo. I would have to see how that would come out.
As for the rules: I think the idea of making a sled illegal is downright stupid; either let us shoot from the magazine or let us use a sled; I opt for the sled myself.
If we are going to stay with the 2MOA targets, we need to limit the ammo to mag-length. On the 2MOA targets with tune match ammo, this is going to be an X-count competition and if you happen to drop a point; you're toast. Not a good thing, not what the intent is.
If we do not want to enforce the ammo specs, and with the fact calibers other than .223 and .308 are allowed, we need to use 1MOA targets, (F-Class.)
I shot the first match at 4.5 power; then I shot the subsequent matches at 10X. I think 15X is ok as a limit; I would have preferred 10X or 20X. 10x for the 2MOA targets and 20X for the 1MOA (F-Class) targets.
class weight limit is 14 pounds with bipod and mag.
You're gonna need more than scope mounts to get that hog legal
I think the small, soft bag might be the biggest single handicap relative to f-tr
edit - a front bag is legal and would remove the bipod weight. I've never figured out exactly what this means:
separate soft roll or soft front bag of the type and design commonly used in military/police
“field-expedient applications” are permitted
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Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
class weight limit is 14 pounds with bipod and mag.
You're gonna need more than scope mounts to get that hog legal
I think the small, soft bag might be the biggest single handicap relative to f-tr
edit - a front bag is legal and would remove the bipod weight. I've never figured out exactly what this means:
separate soft roll or soft front bag of the type and design commonly used in military/police
“field-expedient applications” are permitted
Thanks for the note. I corrected my post, I was working from memory and conflated 15X with 15 pounds.
Getting old is a b*tch.
If you use a front bag or rest, you can remove the bipod and lose its weight at the same time. I'm a bipod guy. But whatever it takes.
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
I don't see why not. I'm thinking of preparing a front bag that will weigh about 40 pounds and will cradle my fore end nicely. I'll probably fill it with heavy sand. And I'll add a slick tape strip under the hand guard to make sure it slides nicely. I'll get a bigger bean bag for the rear rest or come up with a desgin of my own.
Not. But this is the type of stuff that people will come up with with these wide open rules.
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
Denys is correct. The Tactical AR Class is a blast! This past Sunday was my second time shooting. Hopefully the interest/participation grows.
Shooting tactical AR mid range competition can be done pretty affordably.
I'm shooting a <$600 Homebuilt AR. Anderson Lower w/A2 Stock & Rock River Trigger. Noreen Billet Upper w/Radical Firearms 15" Handguard & 5.56 NATO Wilson Arms 16" 1/8 Chromoly Barrel. My 1st time out I used my Range Bag as a front rest. Yesterday I used a Leapers/UTG Recon Bipod.
Optic is an SWFA 10X bought on Black Friday w/SWFA SSALT Mount(approx. $300)
Ammo is handloaded(approx. 0.25/rd.) range pickup LC brass. 77smk pulled projectiles loaded to mag length(2.260") but single fed.
I'm having a great time & beginning to learn to read wind(especially at 600)using the 77 grain bullet.
Looking forward to the next match!
Thank You to all the guys at Bayou Rifles for putting on a great program
And Andy shot three cleans. with a good X-count. What did you end up with? 600-24 or some such?
We are using the wrong targets.
Ned Ludd
Silver $$ Contributor
Actually, you're using the wrong caliber LOL. If people were showing up with factory AR15s in .223 Rem, shooting 77 gr (max) commercial ammo, at a distance of 600 yd, most would be very happy to have a 2 MOA 10-ring.
Thanks for the report, Denys!
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
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Oh, trust me when I say this. I'm doing a lot of things wrong, but I am having more fun then a barrel of monkeys. That AR-10 is a lot of fun to shot. Of course, if ever I decide to rebarrel, it could very well become a 6.5CM spitter.
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Ned Ludd
Silver $$ Contributor
I absolutely believe you, I've wanted to try it out for some time now. But IMO - the heavier higher BC bullets available for .308 Win and other more ballistically efficient calibers will likely be the reason the target scoring rings seem too generous. If this class catches on, competitors will eventually be forced to use something besides a .223 Rem if they want to have any chance at all of being competitive. Given what I perceive as the "intent" or "spirit" of this class, I'm surprised it wasn't limited solely to .223 Rem, which would have effectively covered the lion's share of potential participants. By allowing more ballistically efficient cartridges, they have effectively rendered the least efficient (although arguably the most common) cartridges uncompetitive.
Thanks Denys.....I just couldn't keep it together on the last match ended up 598-29x.
The F-Class targets might be best. You shouldn't see any cleans.......I just don't know how many 1/2 Minute AR's are really out there though. Its everything I can do to put an AR together that will shoot MOA accuracy.
As it is now, a good tournament should end up going to the High X-Count.
The F-Class targets might be best. You shouldn't see any cleans.......I just don't know how many 1/2 Minute AR's are really out there though. Its everything I can do to put an AR together that will shoot MOA accuracy.
As it is now, a good tournament should end up going to the High X-Count.
Shoot mag-length ammo from a 556/223 as the game was originally intended and you will find the std NRA targets to be quite challenging.
But like everything else they do, NRA wanted to be Liberal (all-inclusive to AR platforms) and bring in a small percentage of rifles comparatively (AR10's) in calibers that screamed "AR15 shooters, stay home". They accomplished their mission if they wanted the infinitely greater numbers of AR15's to be safe queens.
Instead of a game of parity and the ability to read wind, they decided to make it a "gamers" match and another equipment race
But like everything else they do, NRA wanted to be Liberal (all-inclusive to AR platforms) and bring in a small percentage of rifles comparatively (AR10's) in calibers that screamed "AR15 shooters, stay home". They accomplished their mission if they wanted the infinitely greater numbers of AR15's to be safe queens.
Instead of a game of parity and the ability to read wind, they decided to make it a "gamers" match and another equipment race
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
Shoot mag-length ammo from a 556/223 as the game was originally intended and you will find the std NRA targets to be quite challenging.
But like everything else they do, NRA wanted to be Liberal (all-inclusive to AR platforms) and bring in a small percentage of rifles comparatively (AR10's) in calibers that screamed "AR15 shooters, stay home". They accomplished their mission if they wanted the infinitely greater numbers of AR15's to be safe queens.
Instead of a game of parity and the ability to read wind, they decided to make it a "gamers" match and another equipment race
I don't disagree with that, but apart from my NM AR-15, the only AR I have that comes close to the main feature (20 inch barrel,) is my AR-10. The fact I had not shot it much before was just a happy coincidence. I did try to follow the intent and spirit of the rules by using ordinary mag length ammo and a bipod, bean bag and 10X scope.
To be honest when I was watching the weird results during the first two matches, I really though my ammo was not very good. (I had never fired a round of it through my AR-10. I picked a load out of the Hodgdon site and loaded up some cartridges with the intent to go try it out at some point. A few years later that point was an F-class match. Funny how that goes.
I do believe if I selected a better bullet, prepped the cases more and measured powder the way I do it for my F-TR rifle, I would get better results, especially if I did some ammo tuning. I think THAT defeats the intent of the rules; I am not aware of any department that designs ammo for an individual rifle.
Warren Dean
Team Savage F-TR
2nd time I fired this in Phoenix on a cold and windy day at Ben Avery circa 2013, I was humbled. We were having a club practice at 300yds on the 300M International target reduced for 300yds. I did not shoot a possible score by any stretch. My rifle had an 18" barrel, a 3-9X Bushnell AR optic, a Harris bipod, a rear bag and was shooting SIE77MK's a tick over 2650fps. That I kept the vast bulk of shots inside the 10-Ring for elevation was my only consolation. My ammo used virgin LC cases with no prep work other than running them through a die and chamfering the case mouth.
The AMU does no match prep on 300yd course ammo. Hard to believe, they grab select lots of crimped-primer, virgin 5.56 cases and load it. Can pretty much assure you that they visually inspect flash holes or use specific lots of cases that do not exhibit flashing from the pierce-punch operation.
The AMU does no match prep on 300yd course ammo. Hard to believe, they grab select lots of crimped-primer, virgin 5.56 cases and load it. Can pretty much assure you that they visually inspect flash holes or use specific lots of cases that do not exhibit flashing from the pierce-punch operation.
Warren Dean
Team Savage F-TR
I was referring to their long range team and their tack driving rifles.
So no one that has ever worked the pits in f-open has ever had a shooter that puts his shot one paper with in few seconds of you getting the target up?
I'll give you a safety news flash, his gun was loaded, aimed at your position, with no safety and probably a 1oz trigger: All while you were fully extended lifting that target into position.
Makes that 4.5# trigger in the loaded Ar15 seem a whole lot more safe.
I'll give you a safety news flash, his gun was loaded, aimed at your position, with no safety and probably a 1oz trigger: All while you were fully extended lifting that target into position.
Makes that 4.5# trigger in the loaded Ar15 seem a whole lot more safe.
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