Does it really matter which bushing die?

[Sixgun]

It seems like most people gravitate toward the Redding type S bushing die but aren't all dies made the same though? Redding, Forster, Wilson maybe even Whidden all probably use the same brand of equipment for their dies. So to me it seems like the competancy of the operator using the equipment or maybe how often the tooling is changed. What do you guys think?

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

It seems like most people gravitate toward the Redding type S bushing die but aren't all dies made the same though? Redding, Forster, Wilson maybe even Whidden all probably use the same brand of equipment for their dies. So to me it seems like the competancy of the operator using the equipment or maybe how often the tooling is changed. What do you guys think?

What specific improvement are you looking for? To some, any die will work. To others, we are measuring just how much the die sizes the brass, and brass life. Still others, look for the finish, although I don't see this as a big factor to how the die actually does its job.
JMHO, but I think a lot of money gets wasted on custom dies when a custom chamber reamer is what they really needed...Aren't they all custom? Hmm.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Every die is different. Comparing the ones you listed is like saying a chevy cruze, silverado and corvette are the same since they all use gasoline engines.

 

[Bc'z]

Every die is different. Comparing the ones you listed is like saying a chevy cruze, silverado and corvette are the same since they all use gasoline engines.

Well they are all Chevy.

I personally don't use custom dies, but I'm not even shooting a semi custom rifle either.
I can say not all dies are created equal.
Looking at my 30-06 dies, Hornady's sized the body .015 smaller than my RCBS.
Both of which are just a standard 2 die set.

Now if I had custom barrels I'd probably own my reamers and have dies made to its specs
For the best possible finished round.

Now question I have is why does my redding 6.5cm type s neck die need a .286 bushing while my Hornady FL match grade die takes a .288 for the same brass?

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Well they are all Chevy.

I personally don't use custom dies, but I'm not even shooting a semi custom rifle either.
I can say not all dies are created equal.
Looking at my 30-06 dies, Hornady's sized the body .015 smaller than my RCBS.
Both of which are just a standard 2 die set.

Now if I had custom barrels I'd probably own my reamers and have dies made to its specs
For the best possible finished round.

Now question I have is why does my redding 6.5cm type s neck die need a .286 bushing while my Hornady FL match grade die takes a .288 for the same brass?

That makes no sense at all. Are you sure that 6 isn't an 8? In a bushing die, the bushing is what dictates how much the neck gets sized. The rest of the die never touches the neck. That's why it makes no sense.

 

[Bc'z]

That makes no sense at all. Are you sure that 6 isn't an 8? In a bushing die, the bushing is what dictates how much the neck gets sized. The rest of the die never touches the neck. That's why it makes no sense.

Didnt make any sense to me either until I typed it.
I'm thinking expander button is over sized.
I'll go measure them.
And yes it's a 6.
I was prepping for a OCW test with
130 ar hybrids normally run the .288 with my hornady brass and thier bushing die.
Popped .288 in my redding die no bullet hold.
.287 is in wife's 260 bushing die, si I grabbed the. 286 and resized my necks.

Now as I type this I realized it could be that I dont aneal, therefore it could be spring back.

 

[Bc'z]

That makes no sense at all. Are you sure that 6 isn't an 8? In a bushing die, the bushing is what dictates how much the neck gets sized. The rest of the die never touches the neck. That's why it makes no sense.

Ok say I check it it out.
Not all dies are created equal.
yup it a 6.
redding button
hornady button
Thanks for your help in helping me figure it out.
Annealing could still be part of it

 

[JFrank]

Ok say I check it it out.
Not all dies are created equal.
View attachment 1084534 yup it a 6.
View attachment 1084535 redding button
View attachment 1084536 hornady button
Thanks for your help in helping me figure it out.
Annealing could still be part of it

What does your 30.06 loaded round measure at the neck OD

 

[Bc'z]

What does your 30.06 loaded round measure at the neck OD

Lapua or RP brass?
Ahhhhhh screw it! I'll be back.

 

[JFrank]

Lapua or RP brass?
Ahhhhhh screw it! I'll be back.

Lapua

 

[Bc'z]

RP .3325
Lapua .3365
Both topped with 185 vld

 

[JFrank]

Not all dies are created equal"

Every die is different. Comparing the ones you listed is like saying a chevy cruze, silverado and corvette are the same since they all use gasoline engines.

 

[Bc'z]

View attachment 1084541 Not all dies are created equal"

I bet they all have 350's

 

[JFrank]

I bet they all have 350's

The Vette has the LS -1
L stands for Luminum!

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I had a 98 identical to that one until my last divorce

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Throw the expander buttons away, for starters.

 

[Bc'z]

Throw the expander buttons away, for starters.

And go to mandrel expander.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

No expander at all....or at least not one that touches the neck. If it's expanding the neck back up after the bushing sizes it down...there's your trouble.

 

[JFrank]

I had a 98 identical to that one until my last divorce

Got any pictures or did the ex get that too..

 

[Chuckhunter]

I agree with gunsandgunsmithing.