muleman69
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Sierra Game Changers?
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FWIW Sierra doesn't offer a 6.5mm TGK in 140 grains, only 130s which are great for deer and lopes. I wonder what kind of velocity he was getting with them. Also FWIW Brunos Shooter's Supply has them for $25.50 a box of 100. Best pricing I've seen for them.
muleman, I'm a retired family physician. I live in rural WV. I get massive amounts of crop damage deer permits from my patients with large farms the last 43 years. I count these plus my deer season kills in WV, not out of state. I do autopsies on each deer, clean them by myself (6 1/2-7 minutes), and give all of them to poor people or older folks that can't hunt any more. I've written a lot of articles about the results for JD Jones' Handgun Hunters International organization, plus a few national magazines. I test as many bullets in many calibers that I have guns for and write reviews. A lot of bullets get rave reviews from hunters that base their experience on a few kills. Anything works sometimes, but with my large data base the poor performing bullets will show their true colors sooner than later.
antelope, the doe was completely unaware of me and relaxed. I did a center shoulder hit to see the effectiveness of the Game Changer. Normally, I do a high shoulder shot about4" below the back which drops them immediately from spinal shock. That would not have told me anything on bullet performance.
antelope, the doe was completely unaware of me and relaxed. I did a center shoulder hit to see the effectiveness of the Game Changer. Normally, I do a high shoulder shot about4" below the back which drops them immediately from spinal shock. That would not have told me anything on bullet performance.
Prose
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@WV Hitman what kind of velocity are you getting out of your pistols?
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I'd love to read some of your field tests on .30 cal bullets
It's hard not to be positive when something works great the first time that you use it. It's also likely that anything else that I may have used like the Hornadys or Nosler partitions would have done the same. For me the TGKs didn't do much meat damage tho I try not to hit em in meaty spots. But nothing speaks like experience.
I started using Nosler's Ballistic Tips when they came out with them and have never stopped. I've tried Hornady's plastic tipped bullets with good results and shot one deer this past season with their ELD-X bullet. The new Sierra plastic tip bullet is just another choice. That ELD-X bullet is match accurate.
Billy
Billy
I was going to use the Hornady 6.5mm 130 grain SSTs last fall, but some others said that they were unnecessarily destructive so I opted out of those for the Hornady 129 grain interlocks. I stumbled upon the TGKs about a week before it was time to go and decided to give em a try.
Game changer?
You mean with those boooollits I can shoot a rabbit and take home a deer?
You mean with those boooollits I can shoot a rabbit and take home a deer?
Don't see how you can really make an informed decision on a bullet designed to be shot from a rifle, when shot from a pistol at greatly reduced speeds. The bullet should do exactly what it is doing. I would be looking to a lighter bullet, in what ever caliber you are shooting, for much better expansion. Just a passing thought. 
Paul
Paul
prose, I'm getting 2700 fps out of my 6.5/.284 XP. There's no need for lighter bullets in my handguns. I want penetration primarily. My little handguns have worked fine on my 3 elephants, 2 lions, hippo, 3 Cape buffalo, croc, leopard, rhino, brown bear, moose. The only animals I've taken with more than one shot were 1 elephant and the rhino.
Nature boy, I've done a lot of game with my .309 JDJ and HS Precision .308. BTs, solid bases, PTs, ABs work well. The big sleeper in this caliber is the Lehigh 110 gr. Chaos. I've consistently done deer out to 400-420 with it and it actually causes more damage than all the above bullets!
The Game Changer will kill deer, but not as effectively or quickly as others I mentioned.
I thought ELDXs were going to be the next great bullet. Not so. I've taken 25 deer with the 6.5 143 gr. and 5 deer with the .25 110 gr. in my .250 Sav. AI in my HANDGUNS. Yes, they are highly accurate. They do a fairly decent job on broadside shots, but in a perfect world that's not always the case. On angled shots, they down right suck. They expand too fast. They penetrate poorly because of the rapid expansion. Deer run a long way when only one lung is hunt. I recovered only one 6.5 ELDX on a quartering shot. Hit center of shoulder. Was under hide on opposite side. Weighed a whopping 25 grs.!! She ran a little over 100 yds.
A friend I hunt with took a doe at 120 yds. with a 108 gr. ELDX in his 6mm Creedmore HANDGUN. She ran 100 yds. The hit was dead center one shoulder blade. One lung had 3" of damage. The bullet did not make it past the center of the body. It totally disintegrated.
ELDXs are extremely disappointing to me. With my lower handgun velocity they should be doing a lot better.I'm using them now for groundhogs.
Nature boy, I've done a lot of game with my .309 JDJ and HS Precision .308. BTs, solid bases, PTs, ABs work well. The big sleeper in this caliber is the Lehigh 110 gr. Chaos. I've consistently done deer out to 400-420 with it and it actually causes more damage than all the above bullets!
The Game Changer will kill deer, but not as effectively or quickly as others I mentioned.
I thought ELDXs were going to be the next great bullet. Not so. I've taken 25 deer with the 6.5 143 gr. and 5 deer with the .25 110 gr. in my .250 Sav. AI in my HANDGUNS. Yes, they are highly accurate. They do a fairly decent job on broadside shots, but in a perfect world that's not always the case. On angled shots, they down right suck. They expand too fast. They penetrate poorly because of the rapid expansion. Deer run a long way when only one lung is hunt. I recovered only one 6.5 ELDX on a quartering shot. Hit center of shoulder. Was under hide on opposite side. Weighed a whopping 25 grs.!! She ran a little over 100 yds.
A friend I hunt with took a doe at 120 yds. with a 108 gr. ELDX in his 6mm Creedmore HANDGUN. She ran 100 yds. The hit was dead center one shoulder blade. One lung had 3" of damage. The bullet did not make it past the center of the body. It totally disintegrated.
ELDXs are extremely disappointing to me. With my lower handgun velocity they should be doing a lot better.I'm using them now for groundhogs.
What are your experiences with Berger bullets?
muleman69
USMC -1st marine Div. RVN
What great info, how many calibers do you hunt with? I have taken ground squirrels out to two hundred or so and what fun. This is very interesting to say the least, tell us more
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JimT, I tested Berger bullets in my 6.5/.284 XP over 2 years to get sufficient data. I took around 30 deer with them. As with the ELDXs, they are very accurate, but also like the ELDXs, they don't perform on angled shots. Broadside, yes. Very fragile, large internal damage, quick kills. Angled shots-poor penetration, usually only one lung penetrated resulting in very long tracking and even lost deer near thick woods and swampy terrain. I don't use them any more. If a bullet won't perform on all types of shot I don't use it. It's ABs, NPT, Horn. GMX, Sierra Game King, Xs. On all my important hunts for non dangerous game it's 95% ABs, 5% Xs, NPTs.+
Muleman, my squirrel gun is a Ruger MKIII, turkey gun FA .454 Casull( 36 one shot kills with a bullet that does minimal damage), groundhog gun- over 1000 kills with .223 Contender, .22-250 XP, .250 Sav. AI XP, .454 Casull. Deer and big game- all the JDJ Contender calibers, most of the JDJ Encore calibers, .325 WSM XP, .375/.284 XP, .376 Steyr, .416 Taylor. All are handguns. I don't own any rifles. Never saw a need.
Muleman, my squirrel gun is a Ruger MKIII, turkey gun FA .454 Casull( 36 one shot kills with a bullet that does minimal damage), groundhog gun- over 1000 kills with .223 Contender, .22-250 XP, .250 Sav. AI XP, .454 Casull. Deer and big game- all the JDJ Contender calibers, most of the JDJ Encore calibers, .325 WSM XP, .375/.284 XP, .376 Steyr, .416 Taylor. All are handguns. I don't own any rifles. Never saw a need.
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