Nat'l Firearms Background Check Law Intro

[bobinpa]

I'm thinking a loaner is not a change in ownership.

My point.

Is that LEOs need vests and equipment, and are always struggling for budget money. Win win is twofold, low cost for a check and money to support the front line troops that are trying to protect and serve.

No way! Bad idea in my opinion..... Why? Because years ago you had to have the local police chief sign off on your concealed carry permit. It became a popularity contest and some people had to fight to get it. You must be under the impression that local police are trustworthy and never corrupt, but I am not. I would never be comfortable with them knowing what I have. Next they would be asked for input on how "safe" their neighborhoods are and gun restrictions would be based on their input. Which side of the line does the police union stand on???

 

[ED3]

I'm thinking a loaner is not a change in ownership.

My point.

Is that LEOs need vests and equipment, and are always struggling for budget money. Win win is twofold, low cost for a check and money to support the front line troops that are trying to protect and serve.

I'm pretty sure there is case law where merely allowing a prohibited person to handle a firearm has been construed as a transfer.

Further, a transfer will mean whatever someone wants it to mean; including intra-family loans.
If your police dept needs equipment, the burden should fall on all citizens, not a few gun owners.

Do you think there might be found a method to fund police officers without encroaching on the liberty of a very small group of citizens?

In the city I live in, the PD is a top heavy bureaucracy of political appointments.

It truly saddens and amazes me that someone on this forum sees it as a "win" in what most certainly would be a large step towards gun registration and confiscation.

 

[jdh47]

On the bright side the last election will likely boost gun and ammunition sales exponentially for the next two years at least. Here we go again.

Your votes count. Democrats have an abysmal record in just about every category imaginable except birth control yet they can make common sense idiocy sound pretty good to a lot of the aloof.

 

[Milo 2.0]

On the bright side the last election will likely boost gun and ammunition sales exponentially for the next two years at least. Here we go again.

Your votes count. Democrats have an abysmal record in just about every category imaginable except birth control yet they can make common sense idiocy sound pretty good to a lot of the aloof.

 

[rr2030]

Seems to me now that I've thought about it a minute, that if background checks are required universally, then local law enforcement agencies ought to do it. At say $10 a pop, with the money going to buy vests and equipment.

Win Win

hahahahahaha (jajajajajaja for our spanish speaking members)

This post it obviously a reflection of your forum name.

What everyone needs to understand when it comes to these fees is that they have no intention of using the money collected for said purpose to be use for that purpose. Case in point: we voted in a state Lottery, the money going to education, yes it did and the budget for education was reduced by that amount and the money used in the general fund for whatever wasteful reason the politicians desired.

 

[rr2030]

I'm pretty sure there is case law where merely allowing a prohibited person to handle a firearm has been construed as a transfer.

Further, a transfer will mean whatever someone wants it to mean; including intra-family loans.
If your police dept needs equipment, the burden should fall on all citizens, not a few gun owners.

Here in CA unless you are directly supervising IE: with the person, you can not loan any firearm to anyone other than your father, brother, sister or adult child. Family transfers are father to child or vise versa.

 

[dryhumor]

Sounds like you have already rolled over,may as well hand yours in ...and if want cops to take my money personally...I don't think so.

Not hardly. I'm just a realist. With a country of over 300 million, several thousand a year killed by guns is too small a percentage to worry about statistically. However, politicians are in business to get in and stay in office. Whatever rallies the base, makes no difference who's party is in office. Fortunately, the court, for now is in our favor.

Towards the end of the Declaration of Independence: and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.

That was 1776, 15 years later, they put in words: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Pretty straight forward. The Declaration accused Great Britain not only of onerous tyranny, but of un-leashing mercenaries upon us, inciting Indians on us. I believe today, that's quite possibly terrorism. Back then, there were essentially two groups, our group was considered by our founding fathers as a de facto militia, hence the wording of the 2nd Amendment. I'm just a layman mind you, but I see the 2nd Amendment as rock solid.

However, look at all the low hanging fruit. Hi cap mags, NFA act, what kind of weapon you can or cannot own, rules, regs, backgrounds, etc. Bump stocks were recently outlawed. I figure binary triggers will be next. Especially if one is used in the next mass shooting.

Note the 2nd. It says we can keep and bear. It doesn't say they cant screw with us to the point of madness to make us jump through every hoop they put up to continue to keep and bear.

Whatever the lessor of the two evils will seem to be a compromise. It won't make everyone happy. Don't want to give $10 for a check, pick your flavor. I'm for the cheapest way out; of what may become inevitable.

From Daniel Webster:

"It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions... There are men, in all ages... who mean to govern well; but they mean to govern. They promise to be kind masters; but they mean to be masters... They think there need be but little restraint upon themselves... The love of power may sink too deep in their own hearts..."

 

[bsekf]

Keep in mind that the political elite don't have a D or a R after their name. They are on both sides of the isle. The political elite don't care a hoot about right and wrong, they only want "business as usual" as long as the money rolls in and incumbents get reelected, they could care less! thanks to Pres. Trump, we got rid of Ryan, Flake and Corker, it remains to be seen if their replacements are better, worse or the same. Pres. Trump is making a bad name for politicians...... he is keeping his promises!

Bill

 

[Knotwild]

You have to admit that they are out of hand in everything. They are entrenched in the idea that laws must complicate life, and infringe liberties. They never repeal them and they never write one that removes one that is a pain (not since prohibition was repealed I guess). If you have enough money you can own your very own politician.

Politicians nauseate me.

 

[ragsflh]

lets do background checks on all demos.it all about control

 

[savagedasher]

I have no problem with everyone Having to to take a gun safety course to own or buy a gun
And that should be the proof the very gun owner should have to see to sell a gun
With the proof of gun safety course and a criminal background you should get a card . It should also have a time limit
For renal Any conceal carry permit
Would be able to buy
But any seller should also have to show proof of the gun not being stolen

 

[ED3]

I have no problem with everyone Having to to take a gun safety course to own or buy a gun
And that should be the proof the very gun owner should have to see to sell a gun
With the proof of gun safety course and a criminal background you should get a card . It should also have a time limit
For renal Any conceal carry permit
Would be able to buy
But any seller should also have to show proof of the gun not being stolen

How does one prove a negative, such as a gun not being stolen?
The only thing that immediately comes to mind is a registry of who owns what guns, accessible by anyone...

 

[savagedasher]

Should be as a simple as a call in on serial number .
With the computer system
we have today
The seller will have proof he can own a gun

 

[dryhumor]

Should be as a simple as a call in on serial number .
With the computer system
we have today
The seller will have proof he can own a gun

That would save someone from buying a stolen gun.

There are a lot of guns that there is no paper trail though.

 

[savagedasher]

That would save someone from buying a stolen gun.

There are a lot of guns that there is no paper trail though.

You can’t fix everything
But you can fix most of the problem

 

[hogpatrol]

It's all D.C. noise. Fuggeddaboutit! Go shooting! I'm on my way in about a half hour.

 

[dryhumor]

True.

Gotta think about Joe Thug. Joe Thug owns 1000s of guns, some stolen, some lost, some inherited.

If every one had access to a data base, before long Joe Thug will figure out how to use it to advantage. Keeping no paper guns to do dirty deeds.

 

[ED3]

Should be as a simple as a call in on serial number .
With the computer system
we have today
The seller will have proof he can own a gun

So now this computer just linked a particular firearm to at least 2 people; the buyer and the seller.

A few points:

In my state there is no legal requirement to report a stolen firearm.
Not every firearm has a serial number.
One CAN check whether a firearm is stolen, but here( MN) it can only be done with the gun in the presence of a police officer doing the check...and guess what happens when it's determined to be stolen.

 

[dryhumor]

It's all D.C. noise. Fuggeddaboutit! Go shooting! I'm on my way in about a half hour.

If I didn’t have standing water in my pasture I’d be too. Nice calm day here.

 

[ED3]

You can’t fix everything
But you can fix most of the problem

Only if the 'problem' is honest, law abiding people buying and selling guns to each other, without the entire world knowing about it.
Like most laws, the criminals will continue to ignore them.