Killed 3 deer today and couldn't lie out of it.
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After the Badge Boys saw the spot and that treetop, they better understood how the mistake could have been made... and they dismissed that... but that lie was what got to them... and to me as well.
Thinking about how ticket happy most warden guys are... it's no wonder I panicked in fear of them knowing. It's too bad that we can't come clean a lot easier when we mess up. If I would have had thoughts and feelings of their understanding and forgiveness, then I probably wouldn't have freaked out so much.
Human nature is to kick you when your down.... and I didn't want them to kick me around.
If I had determined to face the music right up front, then maybe I have have been given the Wisdom to make a simple call while standing there over that mess.
EDIT... I wasn't going to waste that yearling...just hadn't figured out how to save it yet.
Edit again... I had 4 doe tags with me... 2 for WMA and 2 Private land tags... so I had to use a private tag on that yearling, but I didn't know that I could do that... or that would have been an easy fix. The simple confession phone call would have been the best answer all around.
Thinking about how ticket happy most warden guys are... it's no wonder I panicked in fear of them knowing. It's too bad that we can't come clean a lot easier when we mess up. If I would have had thoughts and feelings of their understanding and forgiveness, then I probably wouldn't have freaked out so much.
Human nature is to kick you when your down.... and I didn't want them to kick me around.
If I had determined to face the music right up front, then maybe I have have been given the Wisdom to make a simple call while standing there over that mess.
EDIT... I wasn't going to waste that yearling...just hadn't figured out how to save it yet.
Edit again... I had 4 doe tags with me... 2 for WMA and 2 Private land tags... so I had to use a private tag on that yearling, but I didn't know that I could do that... or that would have been an easy fix. The simple confession phone call would have been the best answer all around.
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I had a friend that killed two HUGE elk in about the same situation. He has killed quite a few elk in his time and uses a 338 Win mag and has never had to shoot one twice. Went to his viewing spot on top of a ridge where he had heard elk down in the valley. Out of the trees about 200 yards below him steps this HUGE bull so he shoots it and after recoil he gets back on the area with the scope and sees the bull trotting into another patch of trees. He stays in the scope and sees an open area on the other side of those trees and when what he thinks it the same HUGE bull comes trotting out into the clear spot he fires again and down it goes. When he gets down to this elk he can see into that patch of trees and there lays another HUGE bull. Just so happened he had a hunting partner with him that used his tag to pull his cookies our of the fire.
Yes I bet the badge boys were full of themselves. My buddy and I where riding together in his truck coming home from opening day of deer hunting. We did not kill anything that day looking for BIG bucks. One of the family members, a boy of about 15, that lived on the big farm were we hunted did kill a deer just a few minutes before end of legal shooting light and my buddies truck was parked at the edge of the field where the deer was shot. To save the boy from having to walk about a mile and get the tractor out and come back to pick up the deer my buddy pulled his truck over to the deer and we loaded up in the back and took both the boy and deer down to the barn and hung it up for the boy to process. On our way home the badge boys had a road block set up checking everybody. They spot some blood from the boys deer and man their eyes were almost dancing. We told them what happened but they would not believe us and we told them we could take them down to the farm which was about 25 miles away and prove what we were saying. They would hear nothing of it. They wrote up my buddy because it was his truck for having a non tagged deer then said go to court and let the judge sort it out. My buddy had to take a day off work go get the boy and his dad and go to court. Judge was POed because the badge boys did not even show up for court as well as issuing such a ticket without any proof other than there was "some blood" in the truck. Then there was the time that a friend of mine was given permission to turkey hunt on a piece of land that a friend of his had just bought the year before. He goes into the woods one morning just before full day light and uses his owl hooter to try to locate a gobbler. Just about that time someone speaks behind him "game warden don't move" and shines a high beam flashlight on him. He said it scared 20 years off his life. Two game wardens that were not 5 yards behind him just off the trail he was on had been sitting down hiding waiting. They came up and took his gun away from him and told him that he was under arrest for hunting over bate for turkeys. Now it was still too dark to even see the ground good without a flashlight. My friend says that he was not hunting over any bate and that he had just walked into the woods. The wardens showed him some corn that had been scattered just off the side of the trail. They took him to the county jail and he had to post bail to be able to go home. He ended up having to go to federal court and cost him $1,500 for a lawyer plus he like to never got his gun back. He was found not guilty by a jury. Turned out there was a guy that lived right down the road that used to be able to hunt this land when the previous owner had it. He got mad because the new owner would not let him hunt there anymore and let my friend. He bragged to someone after the fact that he had put the corn where he had seen my buddy going into the area scouting for turkey and then called the game wardens and told them he had spotted my friend putting out the corn and took them and showed them exactly where it was the day before. Looks like the game wardens would have been able to see what was up with this guy but NO, they only saw the at-a-boy from the bosses for "stopping illegal hunting over bate for turkey." There is such thing as having common since but in my experience most game wardens don't have any.
Yes I bet the badge boys were full of themselves. My buddy and I where riding together in his truck coming home from opening day of deer hunting. We did not kill anything that day looking for BIG bucks. One of the family members, a boy of about 15, that lived on the big farm were we hunted did kill a deer just a few minutes before end of legal shooting light and my buddies truck was parked at the edge of the field where the deer was shot. To save the boy from having to walk about a mile and get the tractor out and come back to pick up the deer my buddy pulled his truck over to the deer and we loaded up in the back and took both the boy and deer down to the barn and hung it up for the boy to process. On our way home the badge boys had a road block set up checking everybody. They spot some blood from the boys deer and man their eyes were almost dancing. We told them what happened but they would not believe us and we told them we could take them down to the farm which was about 25 miles away and prove what we were saying. They would hear nothing of it. They wrote up my buddy because it was his truck for having a non tagged deer then said go to court and let the judge sort it out. My buddy had to take a day off work go get the boy and his dad and go to court. Judge was POed because the badge boys did not even show up for court as well as issuing such a ticket without any proof other than there was "some blood" in the truck. Then there was the time that a friend of mine was given permission to turkey hunt on a piece of land that a friend of his had just bought the year before. He goes into the woods one morning just before full day light and uses his owl hooter to try to locate a gobbler. Just about that time someone speaks behind him "game warden don't move" and shines a high beam flashlight on him. He said it scared 20 years off his life. Two game wardens that were not 5 yards behind him just off the trail he was on had been sitting down hiding waiting. They came up and took his gun away from him and told him that he was under arrest for hunting over bate for turkeys. Now it was still too dark to even see the ground good without a flashlight. My friend says that he was not hunting over any bate and that he had just walked into the woods. The wardens showed him some corn that had been scattered just off the side of the trail. They took him to the county jail and he had to post bail to be able to go home. He ended up having to go to federal court and cost him $1,500 for a lawyer plus he like to never got his gun back. He was found not guilty by a jury. Turned out there was a guy that lived right down the road that used to be able to hunt this land when the previous owner had it. He got mad because the new owner would not let him hunt there anymore and let my friend. He bragged to someone after the fact that he had put the corn where he had seen my buddy going into the area scouting for turkey and then called the game wardens and told them he had spotted my friend putting out the corn and took them and showed them exactly where it was the day before. Looks like the game wardens would have been able to see what was up with this guy but NO, they only saw the at-a-boy from the bosses for "stopping illegal hunting over bate for turkey." There is such thing as having common since but in my experience most game wardens don't have any.
The whole time I am thinking it could have been a hunter as at seemed that he was shooting at movement without really knowing. I command you honesty but you sir may not realize that you are a very dangerous hunter for shooting so blindly.
Shooting blindly.... you must of not read my post... there was NOTHING about shooting blindly... but maybe you are blind to the facts... try reading my stuff over again, because it's obvious you have missed the facts Jack... and all three shot were not blind, but SPOT ON... producing 3 dead deer... nothing unsafe or blind about that... is there?
Good story 25/06.
It seemed like every answer I gave them to their questions was twisted to mean something other than the plain simple meaning of what I said. It even made them suspicious as to why I dragged them 435 yds down hill to the road, to where I could reach them both with my deer cart... instead of dragging them one at a time up hill, 645 yds to my van... farther away. I tried to explain that i was trying to make it easier on myself, but my every answer became a bigger problem with all the twisted accusations coming at me. I tried to stop talking, but I was trying to explain every detail so they would believe me, but that was to no avail... and that was before I confessed up about the yearling. Their whole cross examination process NEVER made me feel like confessing up... but I'm glad I finally did.
It's a shame that the fear of being misunderstood and ticketed is greater than being honest... along with it's forgiveness.
Good story 25/06.
It seemed like every answer I gave them to their questions was twisted to mean something other than the plain simple meaning of what I said. It even made them suspicious as to why I dragged them 435 yds down hill to the road, to where I could reach them both with my deer cart... instead of dragging them one at a time up hill, 645 yds to my van... farther away. I tried to explain that i was trying to make it easier on myself, but my every answer became a bigger problem with all the twisted accusations coming at me. I tried to stop talking, but I was trying to explain every detail so they would believe me, but that was to no avail... and that was before I confessed up about the yearling. Their whole cross examination process NEVER made me feel like confessing up... but I'm glad I finally did.
It's a shame that the fear of being misunderstood and ticketed is greater than being honest... along with it's forgiveness.
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All of this is just a good reminder, that we all are accountable for each round that we pull the trigger on.
What power of scope
Brians356
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A chap in Idaho once shot two big elk in the Clearwater Country, where one elk was standing completely hidden behind the other. The bullet passed through the front elk and cleanly killed the one behind. He notified law enforcement immediately, and gave them complete and honest responses under questioning. As I recall he had witnesses as well. They charged him nevertheless with the gross violation. It got quite a lot of local press coverage, and I don't recall for sure now, but I believe ultimately either the charge was reduced, or sentence suspended. Nevertheless, officials made it clear that hunters are 100% responsible for the consequences of their actions, regardless of extenuating circumstances, or the good will and contrition of the hunter - he could well have received the maximum punishment under law. Food for thought.
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You mean a guy who is trying to commit suicide? The only time I ever seen a guy carry one out he was cursing the whole time. Must have had ground shrinkage.
Uff da. I applaud the the op for honing up to what he did. But I am at a complete loss to how it happened. I got my first BB gun at 6, and 22 at 8. I knew basic safety. Shooting at "fur" in between trees...then continually quoting the the scriptures to appease his conscience.
And then hearing all the support is kinda mind numbing.
And then hearing all the support is kinda mind numbing.
I recall an incident in which a hunter in the North Kaibab shot a turkey he could only partially see through the timber and underbrush. Unfortunately, it was being carried over the shoulder of another hunter. Yep, he bagged the hunter too. friend of mine represented the hunter/shooter in the ensuing lawsuit. Best to be able to see your entire target and what is behind it, or not shoot at all.
ImBIllT
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The second and third shot said “parts” not “doe”.
LOL.... WOW....LOL Some of the logic here makes me think of the O.J. Simpson Trial....LOL.
What could be thought of as shooting blindly? Shot 1 is at her face.. shot 2 is at her shoulder 2 ft to the left.. shot 3 is now mid body a couple of ft more to the left. I thought it was all the same deer moving slightly to the left as I was missing it. What's the chance that after missing the does face that all of a sudden a man is hauling out a deer on his back behind that same blowdown at this same moment....LOL... O.J. all the way....LOL. Besides they weren't blind shots... they were dead deer kill shots... nothing blind about 3 shots... 3 kills.
What could be thought of as shooting blindly? Shot 1 is at her face.. shot 2 is at her shoulder 2 ft to the left.. shot 3 is now mid body a couple of ft more to the left. I thought it was all the same deer moving slightly to the left as I was missing it. What's the chance that after missing the does face that all of a sudden a man is hauling out a deer on his back behind that same blowdown at this same moment....LOL... O.J. all the way....LOL. Besides they weren't blind shots... they were dead deer kill shots... nothing blind about 3 shots... 3 kills.
jds holler
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When we go into the wild with the intention of killing things, it is not uncommon for things to sometimes go badly or turn ugly.
The folks who are quick to pass harsh judgment, have blessedly been very lucky, or perhaps haven't done much killing. jd
The folks who are quick to pass harsh judgment, have blessedly been very lucky, or perhaps haven't done much killing. jd
This whole thread is not about the accidental killing of 3 deer with 3 shots... nor is it about the Game Wardens trying to do their job... it's about lying to get out of trouble, yet later on confessing up to the truth and facing up to one self and to the law.
For many years I was the BEST of sinners and could blaspheme and tell lies with the best of them. Then one night I heard a preacher on tv say that Jesus was knocking at the door of my heart, and that He was waiting on me to open the door and let Him in so that He could forgive my sins... save my soul... and fill me with His Presence. I knelt down in my living room floor and cried out... Oh Jesus... If you really love me, then Please forgive my sins... save my soul... and fill me with your Presence. Man O Man... it was like someone threw a blanket of pure love over me and wrapped me up with forgiveness... tears flowed as sins were watched away. The next morning was Sunday and I realized that I had a new desire to go to Church... and now the preacher made sense for the first time. I even received a tender conscience that convicted me about lying, stealing, drinking, drugging, whoring around and especially with married women. Wrong sex now became more dirty than I use to understand. It became harder to lie because the Holy Spirit now inside me was convicting me. I've had my ups and downs trying to walk out this Christian Life, and thought I had it together until I lied about that dink. That was my only sin to the Wardens.. to myself... and to the Lord. Guilt was eating me up during our walking around in the woods. I knew I had to confess up but was like Peter who denied Jesus 3 times... fearful and chicken and too self centered. When I confessed, it seemed like Heaven and Peace came back into my soul... and all fears left me.
That night lying in bed, all I could think about was my lying part, and how I was denying the Lord during that lie. Then this thought came to me... " A SOUL that is NOT convicted about lying... is a DEAD SOUL... your Soul is alive right now because I AM in you, and you are in Me... and you shall forever be with Me for all Eternity"
For many years I was the BEST of sinners and could blaspheme and tell lies with the best of them. Then one night I heard a preacher on tv say that Jesus was knocking at the door of my heart, and that He was waiting on me to open the door and let Him in so that He could forgive my sins... save my soul... and fill me with His Presence. I knelt down in my living room floor and cried out... Oh Jesus... If you really love me, then Please forgive my sins... save my soul... and fill me with your Presence. Man O Man... it was like someone threw a blanket of pure love over me and wrapped me up with forgiveness... tears flowed as sins were watched away. The next morning was Sunday and I realized that I had a new desire to go to Church... and now the preacher made sense for the first time. I even received a tender conscience that convicted me about lying, stealing, drinking, drugging, whoring around and especially with married women. Wrong sex now became more dirty than I use to understand. It became harder to lie because the Holy Spirit now inside me was convicting me. I've had my ups and downs trying to walk out this Christian Life, and thought I had it together until I lied about that dink. That was my only sin to the Wardens.. to myself... and to the Lord. Guilt was eating me up during our walking around in the woods. I knew I had to confess up but was like Peter who denied Jesus 3 times... fearful and chicken and too self centered. When I confessed, it seemed like Heaven and Peace came back into my soul... and all fears left me.
That night lying in bed, all I could think about was my lying part, and how I was denying the Lord during that lie. Then this thought came to me... " A SOUL that is NOT convicted about lying... is a DEAD SOUL... your Soul is alive right now because I AM in you, and you are in Me... and you shall forever be with Me for all Eternity"
Novel idea.
Especially so, given a time where we see so many attempts to bastardize/manipulate our Country's Judicial system, to benefit one over another...
Dan, ya did good to admit your errors.
Although we are all fallable, and can therefore empathize & respect your decision to come clean, you still made some bad choices that put you in that position...
Attempting to sanitize/justify those choices, after the fact, only to serves to dilute the hard 'lesson' that should be a takeaway for anyone reading along, as well as yourself.
In short, leave it be. You messed up...badly. A hard 'lesson' is supposed to 'sting', that's the point. The sooner you accept that fully, and don't give into justifying to avoid feeling that 'sting', the sooner you'll put this behind you & go on with your Life. And take solace in that a human was not injured/killed!!!
Be safe out there...
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