Moving the animal, not tagging it and trying to hide it was the problem. You don't get cited for telling a lie.
Killed 3 deer today and couldn't lie out of it.
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ImBIllT
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In Texas you’d probably loose the gun permanently. I’m not certain what the line is between a little ticket and when they confiscate things and haul you off in cuffs, but they confiscate firearms all the time. There’s a monthly newsletter with all the interesting GW stories, and lots of them mention firearm confiscation. The law in Texas allows the sale of any property confiscated by law enforcement and SUSPECTED of being used in a crime, AND the rightful owner does not even have to be CHARGED with a crime, let alone found guilty. There’s a bill headed to the state congress to change the law, and all the law enforcement angencies are throwing a fit claiming that it’s “mostly” used against drug cartels, and that not selling confiscated property will cost law enforcement agencies in TX $50M/yr.
Yeah...I’m TX firearms confiscation for game law violation is not a scare tactic. It’s part of a $50M industry, and you better steer clear of it. That’s not passing judgment. That’s just how you’re gonna be treated if you get caught, innocent mistake or not.
Lucky Shooter
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OK, so you've made a mistake and now have to face the music.
I have no problem believing your account of this and don't feel the need
to think less of you.
I hope the justice system will treat you with fairness and leniency.
Others commit much worse offenses and never have to face the justice
system---period.
A. Weldy
I have no problem believing your account of this and don't feel the need
to think less of you.
I hope the justice system will treat you with fairness and leniency.
Others commit much worse offenses and never have to face the justice
system---period.
A. Weldy
ImBIllT
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Casting the first stone was not about telling a woman to change her ways. They were literally about to take her life in a somewhat prolonged and brutal fashion. No one here is discussing capital punishment for the OP. On the other hand, the book you’re twisting does in fact say that Christians should rebuke/correct one another when they need to change their ways. It also says that those rebukes should be done kindly and with love, and that you should take a good look at yourself first, because if you’re guilty of the same thing, your brother isn’t going to listen to you. I was called out for pointing out that I wasn’t upset with his innocent mistake of shooting too many deer thinking they were all the same one, but rather because he didn’t sound like he could see his target clearly. The original post says “parts”. Later he says he shot “at her face”, “at her shoulder” and “mid body”. None of this SOUNDS like he could clearly see the entire animal. I don’t bring it up to cause him to feel guilty or ruin his Christmas etc. but rather to point out to him and anyone else reading that WE SHOULD ALL revisit safe hunting practices before we head into the woods EVERY TIME. It’s very easy to get comfortable. He made a mistake, he eventually fessed up to it. He even came here and publicly fessed up to it in front of people he didn’t have to admit it to. Ok, let’s forgive him. But forgiveness doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t remind everyone, including him, about hunting/firearm safety.
Again, he may have seen plenty of the animal, but his post doesn’t make it sound that way, and every time someone points that out, other someones have to beat them over the head with crap about forgiveness and not judgement etc. Jesus didn’t tell the woman “ go away and keep cheating on your husband”. He spared her life, and the consequences of her actions, BUT he asked her to change. If someone sees something here they feel the need to bring up, it’s not evil and un-Christian to do so.
I taught Hunters Ed here in Idaho for 20+ years. I always had a Magistrates Judge come one session, and talk about the law side. On more than one occasion, one of my students would ask the Judge about unintentional violations. He said that is why the person sees the Judge. Intent was the focus.
Others would ask what the Judge would do if I were the miscreant. He told them that I obviously knew better, and that he would try and get me twenty to life.
Adults know better.
This man's story has changed more than some people do socks and underwear...
Others would ask what the Judge would do if I were the miscreant. He told them that I obviously knew better, and that he would try and get me twenty to life.
Adults know better.
This man's story has changed more than some people do socks and underwear...
Someoldguy
'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.'
Judgement is not the problem. Hypocrisy is the problem. Mistakes? I've made a bunch of 'em.
Judgement is not the problem. Hypocrisy is the problem. Mistakes? I've made a bunch of 'em.
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Someoldguy
I think his post was not a mistake, but a learning opportunity for the rest of us. A wasted opportunity in some instances, perhaps.
That is just one more reason why Texas sucks. For the record there are many reasons.
I sure hope that bill becomes law for you guys. It is scary how due process is just tossed out the window when the gov can get quick cash.
They do take guns and trucks up here also but you really have to screw up. It would not be for something as trivial as what the OP did.
Granted if I did loose my rights or rifle for something so trivial as this. I would truly start hunting. There would not be a deer with in 200 miles of me except at a zoo.
It is odd that you are for just wounding deer and moving on.
The OP did the right thing by shooting until the deer was down. The only thing he did wrong was post here about it.
The different opinions here are great, and how religion was wrangled into the equation. Whatever
Lesson to be learned here, if you are not very good at lying then don’t. Us Pine-Pigs are pretty good at picking up a weak to fair liar.
OP, what legal obligation did you have to take the officers back to the sight of kill in your state? Don’t those woods all look the same and it’s easy to get turned around??? Don’t people miss deer all the time??? 3 shots and 2 deer is not unheard of. 3 for 1 even.
I’m sure the officers didn’t see you as fessing up to clear your conscience, but they almost caught you red handed.
Ethically- in the woods- you have some soul searching to do. It sounded like your getting close darn to negligence.
Pay your tickets, be happy they didn’t take your gun and remember, they ain’t exactly an endangered species.
OP, what legal obligation did you have to take the officers back to the sight of kill in your state? Don’t those woods all look the same and it’s easy to get turned around??? Don’t people miss deer all the time??? 3 shots and 2 deer is not unheard of. 3 for 1 even.
I’m sure the officers didn’t see you as fessing up to clear your conscience, but they almost caught you red handed.
Ethically- in the woods- you have some soul searching to do. It sounded like your getting close darn to negligence.
Pay your tickets, be happy they didn’t take your gun and remember, they ain’t exactly an endangered species.
coulda, woulda, shoulda, Monday morning quarterbacking at its finest
Not picking on the OP but part of the problem is the manner in which he tells his story is somewhat convaluded and ambiguous at best; it leaves the reader second guessing, did he shoot at the face, the body or a body part. At the end of the day it becomes clear that he did not have a clear unobstructed view of the animals when he shot. That in itself is a major mistake. Shooting again and then a third time because you think it's the same time is simply wrong. After the second shot he should have known something was wrong. No justification in taking a third shot.
Hiding the third shot animal shows intent to conceal a crime, lying to wardens only compounds the issue. I think the OP needs to do some serious reflection on his actions. Telling his story on the internet appears to be someone looking to have his peers judge him lightly and forgive his actions. I don't think a slap on the hand is acceptable. When you attempt to cover up a crime and lie about it you deserve an appropriate punishment.
Hiding the third shot animal shows intent to conceal a crime, lying to wardens only compounds the issue. I think the OP needs to do some serious reflection on his actions. Telling his story on the internet appears to be someone looking to have his peers judge him lightly and forgive his actions. I don't think a slap on the hand is acceptable. When you attempt to cover up a crime and lie about it you deserve an appropriate punishment.
Well, alot of good comments and advice. Much differerent than LRH and 24hr. The op must have been inexperienced, had poor eyesight, or just didnt give a damn. Like I said earlier, I applaud him for coming clear. But why he needed to get forgiven by a bunch of serious, ethical hunters I dont know. I prefer "what powder is best for the 6x47 Lapua" threads, but this struck a chord with me. I apologize if I offended anyone...
It concerns me that so many people here are defending, in one fashion or another, this criminal and his actions. Makes me wonder how many of you would do the same thing under the same circumstances. Or have...
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