New 22cal 88GR Hornady ELD-M
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I was very impressed. The primers are mostly flat but no cratering or heavy bolt lift with that or .2grs more so they can go faster i just don't know if the accuracy will be there.
Ned Ludd
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Thanks for posting your results. Just out of curiosity, you know there is "no pressure" how? If you're using primer appearance and/or hard bolt lifts, I can trash a .223 primer pocket in a single firing of 90 VLDs without getting either one of those pressure signs. Unless your using a ball powder, 2840 fps out of a 22" barrel is likely to be pretty hard on the brass. That's basically the same velocity at which a 30" barrel tunes in with 90s and H4895, and most are lucky to get more than 3-4 firings max at that pressure.
You are correct that I'm assuming. I don't compete with 223 and usually only load them 4-5 times if that. I'll let you know how many firings I get but depriming the primers are still in tight. I also don't go off primer pocket tightness because that more so depends on the brass quality/hardness. I can go from 1-2 firings to 10+ firings with the same load and different brass
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Ned Ludd
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Yes - just a heads-up on the pressure. Hopefully, it will not be an issue. I have been waiting for someone to post their 88 results with a .223 Rem because I'm also interested in giving them a try. So far your results sound very promising, thanks again for sharing your findings.
I'm using Nammo 5.56 brass, cci 41, 23.8 grs H4895, 223 wylde chamber, 7 twist Krieger
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I hadn't come back on this thread to finish up.
Got my 223AI throated out for single loading. With the 88's it's at 2.614" OACL and off the lands .010.
28" Benchmark with 6 groove. Did a ladder at 400Y, 24.5, 24.7 and 24.9 grains of Varget gave almost no vertical so I chose 24.8 which is going 2813 fps. That is the low node. I went up to 26.3 and there was still no sticky bolt, ejector smear, or flat primer. I didn't chrono during the ladder test but I estimate 26.3 over 2900 fps.
No bullets have blown up and I have been careful to keep the barrel cleaned well and am putting a few patches of JB in to start each cleaning.
I haven't done seating depth testing yet and might not, the rifle is shooting great so far.
I fireformed with a light load, shot the 2nd load at 24.5 grains of Varget and am on the 3rd cycle now. Pockets are plenty tight in the virgin Starline brass I started with.
Got my 223AI throated out for single loading. With the 88's it's at 2.614" OACL and off the lands .010.
28" Benchmark with 6 groove. Did a ladder at 400Y, 24.5, 24.7 and 24.9 grains of Varget gave almost no vertical so I chose 24.8 which is going 2813 fps. That is the low node. I went up to 26.3 and there was still no sticky bolt, ejector smear, or flat primer. I didn't chrono during the ladder test but I estimate 26.3 over 2900 fps.
No bullets have blown up and I have been careful to keep the barrel cleaned well and am putting a few patches of JB in to start each cleaning.
I haven't done seating depth testing yet and might not, the rifle is shooting great so far.
I fireformed with a light load, shot the 2nd load at 24.5 grains of Varget and am on the 3rd cycle now. Pockets are plenty tight in the virgin Starline brass I started with.
You compressed?
Yes, idk how much.... OAL 2.515 and barely fits in a trimmed accurate mag.
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Usually, I do not recommend switching if one has a load that works well in a given rifle. New bullets tend to be more appealing for new projects or to solve a problem with a load not doing what is needed in an existing rifle. Some possible advantages with the 88 ELD:
1. Price.
2. Availability.
3. Stability at a given twist rate.
4. Performance on live targets.
5. Not failing in flight.
6. Less labor (no need to point).
I'm a big fan of capitalism and competing products. Berger has made a lot of the other companies bullet offerings better. Perhaps now, pressure from the other companies will improve Berger offerings - if not in ballistic performance, perhaps in price and availability.
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No unfortunately, but I think most 223 wylde reamers are pretty close to each other unless otherwise stated.
And the bearing surface looks long at first glance
That's possible BUT Hornady loves to jump. As I've had many times with other Calibers, a .150 jump isn't unusual for an ELD or Amax. Will depend on the rifle for sure.
AckleymanII
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Great Thing to know 284!
Ned Ludd
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The Wylde chamber should have 0.062" fb. How do the 88s look once they're seated in the case neck for your setup? Is the boattail/bearing surface junction below the neck/shoulder? A 0.062" fb chamber seems like it would be more than a little short for a bullet of that weight/length and might put it down below the neck/shoulder. Although they certainly could be tuned to shoot that way, I suspect it would result in a lot more pressure to hit a given velocity than with a freebore something more like around 0.120" to 0.150". I may have seen the figures, but I don't recall exactly how long the bearing surface/boattail is on the 88. If it's a lot shorter than other 80s/90s, the Wylde might be ok.
With a .062 freebore I would imagine the boat tail was almost touching the primer
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