Federal making a significant chemical change to primers

[dcali]

That article is so filled with technical errors, that it is not fit for bird cage liner.

Federal will NOT make two separate primer lines - when the conversion is done, then you get the new stuff, and that's it.

I will go someplace else for primers.

It's certainly not written by an engineer, but reading between the lines, what in it makes you think these new primers will be inferior? Isn't increasing the mass flow of the primer a good thing, at least in some applications?

 

[tomswede]

I wonder if the guys back when mercuric primers were dropped shook their heads in disbelief or howled at the moon for the change.
I also wonder if the guys back when corrosive primers were changed to lead styphinate that they also shook their heads in disbelief.

I am happy to have a different chemical compound that is SAFE and has NO side effects like in the past.

I was using corrosive primers in my 6.5x55 Swede in the 80’s without knowing it. I knew when my barrel would rust after using the Swedish made match ammo. The smell after the shot should have told me, but I paid no attention.
Rotten eggs was the smell.

Bring on these new primer compounds, I say.

Cheers.

Corrosive primers in Swedish match ammo? Never heard of or run into ( have shot a fair amount of the 139 grain ammo in my junior days back in Sweden).

 

[Catfur]

Nitrocellulose is not an explosive, it is an oxygen rich deflagrant - it cannot be made to explode.

Nitrocellulose is most assuredly an explosive, and a high-explosive at that with a detonation velocity of 7300m/s. It took half a century after its discovery to learn how to make it deflagrate instead of detonate and thus make it suitable for use as a firearms propellant. Aluminium will definitely sensitize explosives as well, it's how your turn plain ol' ammonium nitrate (a high explosive, but a very insensitive one), into "Tannerite."

 

[Catfur]

Of course, on the other hand, it's right to worry about a change to a component. It means that your recipes, that you know work in your guns, will probably need to be redeveloped from scratch, which, not to put to fine a point on it, sucks.

 

[243winxb]

This may apply to .001" neck tension in bottle neck cartridge where there is no jam??


To much primer-

It was a classic case of high gas volume but too little temperature. The primer’s extra gas unseated the bullet while still trying to light off the main charge, producing one peak. Then the bullet retarded as it engaged the rifling, creating the second peak. Although a shooter would never notice this in a production firearm, that double hump was worrisome, and we abandoned that mix.

Read more: http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammo/ammunition_st_mamotaip_200909/#ixzz5KKSRXyup

 

[Raythemanroe]

Well, I hope for good results but in today's day and age of advancement cheaper seems to prevail.. I think just as much tech goes into products to assure they will need replacement.. I won't be jumping for joy to lose the 210M as we know it..

Ray

 

[MagnumManiac]

Corrosive primers in Swedish match ammo? Never heard of or run into ( have shot a fair amount of the 139 grain ammo in my junior days back in Sweden).

Corrosive primers in Swedish match ammo? Never heard of or run into ( have shot a fair amount of the 139 grain ammo in my junior days back in Sweden).

I believe it was Swedish made, it was berden primed military 139gr something gerschloss bullet FMJ. The date stamp was from ‘49, ‘50, ‘51.
They came in cardboard square boxes of 20 rounds.
It definitely smelt of rotten eggs and after a military match day, the barrel would have fine rust in it. The rifle used was a Mauser ‘96 24” 4 groove Brno made rifle of 1936 manufacture sporter with Corporal Trading plastic injection moulded stock and 3-9x40 scope.
I may be wrong, but I always believed it was due to the primer being a military primer.

Cheers.

 

[Pinetreebbs]

Interested in trying the new compound. I've been using Fiocchi lead free primers to load 9mm for a several years. I use them to light Titegroup and Unique powder. They shoot extremely clean, with both powders. No problems at all other than the less than one cent per round cost increase.

 

[tomswede]

I believe it was Swedish made, it was berden primed military 139gr something gerschloss bullet FMJ. The date stamp was from ‘49, ‘50, ‘51.
They came in cardboard square boxes of 20 rounds.
It definitely smelt of rotten eggs and after a military match day, the barrel would have fine rust in it. The rifle used was a Mauser ‘96 24” 4 groove Brno made rifle of 1936 manufacture sporter with Corporal Trading plastic injection moulded stock and 3-9x40 scope.
I may be wrong, but I always believed it was due to the primer being a military primer.

Cheers.

The Swedish ammo came in boxes that said prj m/41 prickskytte. The m/41 for the spritzer bullet. They were also berdan primed. Maybe you got some German ammo, sounds like German geschoss

 

[effendude]

Around 10 years ago, I met the president of Federal Cartridge at my local range as he was joining the club and I was giving the orientation tour. This was during a component shortage period. I jokingly asked him if he could ramp up production on primers as us match shooters couldn't find any. He told me Federal Cartridge was an ammunition manufacturer, first and foremost, and any components sold to the public were simply excess product from the production line process. They didn't have a dedicated production line to make primers, blue box or Gold Medal, for sale to the public.

Scott

 

[SteveOak]

Well, I hope for good results but in today's day and age of advancement cheaper seems to prevail.. I think just as much tech goes into products to assure they will need replacement.. I won't be jumping for joy to lose the 210M as we know it..

Ray

I usually replace my primers after each use.

 

[SWRichmond]

So no definitive information available on the projected longevity of the new compound primers?

What we want is available and consistent reliable primers at a decent price. We also want primers that don't degrade over time, especially short periods of time like a year or so as such degradation would certainly affect our match results and reloading practices.