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Mid range coyote caliber?

My personal "choice" for a "do all" Coyote or Wolf Rifle would be,...
A .22-250 Rem or, Ackley Improved 40* with, a 1-8 or 1-9 Twist bbl. shooting, the 65 Sierra Game Kings at 3,400 FPS or the NEW 69 TMK's at 3,300 FPS or, the Hornady 75's BTHP Match/ ELD's at 3,200, Low recoil, lazer flat trajectories and those Bullets, will flat out,..kill ! My 1-9 twist, Brux 25 inch barrel, IS on order, NOW, .22-250 Ackley Imp. here I come !
 
My personal "choice" for a "do all" Coyote or Wolf Rifle would be,...
A .22-250 Rem or, Ackley Improved 40* with, a 1-8 or 1-9 Twist bbl. shooting, the 65 Sierra Game Kings at 3,400 FPS or the NEW 69 TMK's at 3,300 FPS or, the Hornady 75's BTHP Match/ ELD's at 3,200, Low recoil, lazer flat trajectories and those Bullets, will flat out,..kill ! My 1-9 twist, Brux 25 inch barrel, IS on order, NOW, .22-250 Ackley Imp. here I come !
Ya. That set up has some serious potential. I want a 6.5-8..5 twist 22-250AI so bad. It's slightly under rated in the sense that I don't think people realize the powder capacity it has for a .224cal If 28' 223s are shooting 90vld at 2800+fps I can only imagine the 22-250AI... But like you said the upper mid range bullets would give you a lot to shoot to hone accuracy and performance.
 
Yup,.. 1-8, 1- 8.5 Twist, would be awesome ! Real fast Twists and heavy Bullets, ARE hard, on Barrels,.. Posters are getting 600-1,000 rds of, "Life" by most accounts with, the 1-7's and 80-90 grain bullets. Both of, the .22-250's ( Ack Imp. and Rem ) CAN be, "down loaded" a bit with, good ole' H4895, using the 52-55's to .223 Velocities for, PD's & GS with good accuracy, better bbl life IF,.. kept COOL and then, re-sight with the "heavies" for LR Coyotes/ 5-600 yd Targets ! Pretty Versatile, IMO
 
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I HAVE a .22-250 Rem now, my next Barrel for it, will be, the Ackley Imp 40* in a 1-9 tw.
Ackley is very popular for, for several reasons,.. a little more Velocity to push the 65, 70, 75's, faster with, less bolt thrust, EZ on cases & trimming, and less "drop" for "hold over"/ WIND at, distance. the 250 Ackley has about, 5-8% less bbl "Life" than, the standard .22-250 Rem.,.. I can live with that ! The 75 gr. Horn BTHP/ Amax's are real HARD on Coyotes from what, I've read. The 55 Bal Tip's have been "good" for me at shorter ranges with the 1-14 tw Rem 700 that, I now use. I just want MORE Range and less "Drift" in, the Idaho Wind as, not all the Yotes come in,.. "CLOSE" !
 
How do you guys feel about a 6x47L using 75vmax and a 22"? I suppose ill let go of the 20", I just love how my other 20" handle but I guess a couple inches is ok.
 
How do you guys feel about a 6x47L using 75vmax and a 22"? I suppose ill let go of the 20", I just love how my other 20" handle but I guess a couple inches is ok.
If your wanting to shoot a 75 grain bullet then skip the 6mm and do the 22x47 or 22-250AI. The 22 cal will win that battle.
 
Here in Az I seem to get under 100 yard, or 400-600 yard shots on coyote and always seem to be over or under gunned. Im stuck between a 6 or 6.5x47L. I just cannot seem to make up my mind. It will be a 20" barrel max length if that helps. Im really leaning toward a 6x47L and 87gr vmax at the moment. Any thoughts? Im also open to a 22x47. Right now I alternate between a 17fb, 223, 204 and 6.5cm.

6BRX 85 gr bullets.
 
As member 22Dasher noted above:" the .22cal will win". BUT ya gotta give it sufficient barrel length to compete against the larger bore size!


For the sake of conversation & comparison, here's some stats from my .224cal (coyote capable) rifles, shooting the same weight bullet...

.223AI, 26" barrel: 75Amax @ 3105fps
.22-243, 27" barrel: 75Amax @ 3550fps, 75VLD @3620fps
.22-243AI, 27" barrel, 75Amax @ 3600fps
.220Redline, 27" barrel, 75JLK @ 3975fps :cool:

To compare, my 6x47L, 23"barrel, shoots a 105Hybrid @ 3002fps, and 87Vmax @ 3185fps.

Going UP in bore size ain't doing squat to improve MPBR, nor is the heavier bullet weight. And hamstringing MV from the shorter barrel only makes it worse!

When you're talking coyote killing, ideally, you choose the combo that allows for most ballistic 'forgiveness'. I.e, the flattest trajectory MPBR with which help to correct for distance guesstimates & critter size. Least that's my rationale, anyway? Going heavier in caliber runs contrary to that logic, when ya run the numbers...

The only thing is, when ya neck down a parent case in hopes of achieving increased MBPR, you've gotta allow for a few extra inches of barrel to eeek out the velocity that allows for that luxury. Note, the barrel lengths on my 'hotrods' listed above...;)

Assuming the same parent case, larger bore size will most always be more 'efficient'. This is due to the same powder charge (pressure) doing 'work' against more bullet surface area. Think of a hydraulic piston running at equal psi, but one with a larger ram to push against. The increased surface area allows the same force (case pressure) to be distributed more efficiently...

This is why you can sorta, kinda, get away with a shorter barrel with a larger bore, and not suffer the velocity penalty as the same case, necked down. Make sense?

But, when you're seeking optimal performance, you can kick efficiency to the curb! Efficiency gets almost ZERO consideration when ya wanna go fast. My .223AI is getting by on a mere ~26grains of powder, whereas the Redline is gobbling up ~65grains. So ya can see how foolhardy it would be for me to argue 'efficiency' when striving for ballistic superiority...

So, to re-hash, if ya wanna neck down (any) .264 or .243cal parent case for coyotes, I'm 100% in agreement with that logic! Coyotes die plenty well from even .172cal bullets (with enough MV), so a .224cal (with enough MV) can quite literally 'overkill' a 20-50lb. canine. The key is in getting "enough" velocity to make the pixie dust fly!

Given that, skimping on barrel length runs contrary to the logic of necking down in the first place...

Something to muse over, anyway! Have fun deciding!
 
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Here are a few options to add more to the confusion, I never know what rig to take so I do what any rational level headed gun owner would do. eeny meeny miny moe.

Dean

in order of case capacity

243, 243AI, 6X55swede, 6-06, 6-06AI, 6WSM 6MachIV, 6mmRUM.

I now have a 6X55AI but have not shot it yet so no brass to show for.
The 6MachIV is a 7mm RemMag necked down with a 35deg shoulder.
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Here are a few options to add more to the confusion, I never know what rig to take so I do what any rational level headed gun owner would do. eeny meeny miny moe.

Dean

in order of case capacity

243, 243AI, 6X55, 6-06, 6-06AI, 6WSM 6MachIV, 6mmRUM.

I now have a 6X55AI but have not shot it yet so no brass to show for.
The 6MachIV is a 7mm RemMag necked down with a 35deg shoulder.
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PS: if someone could fix the pic that would be great thanks.

6mmRUM? :eek:
 
How do you guys feel about a 6x47L using 75vmax and a 22"? I suppose ill let go of the 20", I just love how my other 20" handle but I guess a couple inches is ok.

Yeah, why not, I do prefer the extra barrel length. Though the BC of those 75's are getting a bit low at .330. For instance a 22 cal 75gr vmax has a substantially higher G1BC at .467.

I wished I had done a 22x47L instead of 20x47L, Berger 55's at 3830 fps were awesome until those bullets started blowing mid air at about 300 rounds.

Another approach is running higher pressures/sacrificing barrel and brass life. The x47l brass will handle those pressures well and still last x number of firings. If this barrel or rifle is set aside just for coyotes it'll last for decades anyway. You can get ridiculous speeds with R17, just saying. By higher pressure I mean safe higher pressures, like still easy bolt lift, but primers getting flat and barely any primer smear.

Or just fun to think about is a 6mmCreedAI using SRP brass. Maybe a 22 CreedAI with SRP brass???
 
Thanks Alf, some day I will figure out how to post a pic, It's on my bucket list.

PS: Are cats still one of your main food groups.LOL
 
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Chance I might change directions if I can get the right deal on this 243. So if I can get it, is it easy for a smith to rechamber to an ackley?
 
Chance I might change directions if I can get the right deal on this 243. So if I can get it, is it easy for a smith to rechamber to an ackley?
Oh ya. For a normal hunter you can probably just take it in and they'll hook it up but I'm pretty ocd so I'd probably buy my own reamer and take it to the smith and then keep the reamer. Also dies are not too hard to get for that one.
 
Chance I might change directions if I can get the right deal on this 243. So if I can get it, is it easy for a smith to rechamber to an ackley?

Yes it is that easy, and to top that you can even rechamber it to any 6mm you want as long as the new case is bigger than the present one. The first time I ever attempted this was with a shot out 308 barrel that I turned into a 30-06 and it shot great, then from there that same barrel became a 300 WinMag and finally a 300 Rum. It was just a sporter barrel so it was only good for three shots before it got to hot and started to drift, but it made for a light hunting rig.

Dean
 

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