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[Clucknmoan]

No idea what it is, it looks weird all around. It's dead nuts on for a lot of black ones I've seen though. Color is the only thing that's right though.

 

[Leo Smith]

Please, explain your thinking Leo.

 

[Leo Smith]

https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/wolf-reintroduction-changes-ecosystem.

This is one of Several Hundred Articles Published since the reintroduction of the Wolf into Yellowstone. ALthough I don't pretend to be "AN EXPERT" I do read more than most populations..

 

[Albany Mountain]

This is worth reading.
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weat...nged-entire-ecosystem-flow-of-rivers/70004699
Please remember the 1988 Fires that probably contribute more to the ecosystem than any wolf re-introduction has.

 

[dkhunt14]

https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/wolf-reintroduction-changes-ecosystem.

This is one of Several Hundred Articles Published since the reintroduction of the Wolf into Yellowstone. ALthough I don't pretend to be "AN EXPERT" I do read more than most populations..

I agree it changed the ecosystem. It almost completely killed off all the elk. The article was also written by a treehugger. Then it is comparing a place where they never hunted and overpopulated. You don't expect a wolf lover to write about the downside and how they killed them off. They just don't want hunting. Matt

 

[dellet]

https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/wolf-reintroduction-changes-ecosystem.

This is one of Several Hundred Articles Published since the reintroduction of the Wolf into Yellowstone. ALthough I don't pretend to be "AN EXPERT" I do read more than most populations..

Your original statement was deceptively correct in a very narrow context. Had it been that stated that the wolves help an artificially imbalanced eco system by pushing elk into new areas, it would have had more truth to it.

The Yellowstone herds have been over populated for years. To the point of the state issuing shooting gallery type hunting permits for the drainages out of the park. Basically opening day of dove season style hunting as the herds leave the park in the winter. State sponsored wholesale slaughter in an effort to control the elk population in the park.

There is a reason wolves were introduced into the Yellowstone area, an over abundance of available food. That food source, through over grazing, was responsible for the decline and disruption of the whole ecosystem in a small defined area where two apex predators had been removed.

Claiming that the overall health and numbers of elk herds across the continent will benefit based on the data collected in an area suffering from over population is borderline junk science.

There is a reason that in the last ten years the state of Montana has made it more difficult to get an Elk permit, and easier to to get a wolf permit. I would suggest it’s not due to the increasing number of elk.

 

[Clucknmoan]

I cant comment much on Yellowstone, have not been there that many times. I do know that the impact study they did in the early 90's determined that the big game populations could support just over 100 wolves in Idaho....state wide. By the time they delisted, documented numbers were 15 times that and who knows how many more.

Every state/federal agency that supported this has been scrambling to cover their ass for years.

 

[Clucknmoan]

Anyone interested in how the wolves came to be in Idaho should really read this article by George Dovel. Follow the link and then scroll down to No. 26 "What they didnt tell you about wolf recovery." Tons of articles about Idaho wildlife on this link.

https://idahoforwildlife.com/index.php/the-outdoorsmen

 

[North Fork]

The wolves have killed off almost all the moose by me But the S.S.S. system Is working where i live in Idaho

 

[370bc]

https://www.survivalmonkey.com/thre...entary-exposing-the-anti’s-true-agenda.30221/ Good Wolf documentary about the negative effects of wolves.

 

[Milo 2.0]

https://www.survivalmonkey.com/thre...entary-exposing-the-anti’s-true-agenda.30221/ Good Wolf documentary about the negative effects of wolves.

Most 10 yr old ranch kids could have written the outcome of wolf re-introduction into the Yellowstone "ecosystem". Throw an apex predator(hybrid at that) into a target rich environment, let them run amuck for 5 yrs and when their food supply diminishes or moves, who'd have thought they would follow.

As a Wyoming resident, I recall public opinion meetings on this, to no avail, it was going down. Then it turned to the what if's, if they leave the park, shoot on site, no longer in the ecosystem. Ok, this will be tougher, but maybe some saving grace, then came the injunction after injunction on no hunting of them. Suits filed thousands of miles away in the eastern part of the country dictating what 3 states could do with surplus wolves.
Blah, blah, this is going to get way worse before it gets better.

 

[snert]

Your original statement was deceptively correct in a very narrow context. Had it been that stated that the wolves help an artificially imbalanced eco system by pushing elk into new areas, it would have had more truth to it.

The Yellowstone herds have been over populated for years. To the point of the state issuing shooting gallery type hunting permits for the drainages out of the park. Basically opening day of dove season style hunting as the herds leave the park in the winter. State sponsored wholesale slaughter in an effort to control the elk population in the park.

There is a reason wolves were introduced into the Yellowstone area, an over abundance of available food. That food source, through over grazing, was responsible for the decline and disruption of the whole ecosystem in a small defined area where two apex predators had been removed.

Claiming that the overall health and numbers of elk herds across the continent will benefit based on the data collected in an area suffering from over population is borderline junk science.

There is a reason that in the last ten years the state of Montana has made it more difficult to get an Elk permit, and easier to to get a wolf permit. I would suggest it’s not due to the increasing number of elk.

So basically we are saying here that elk over-populate in an area where you can't hunt them, so introduce a wolf. Then scratch your nutz in puzzlement when THEY over-populate and drive down an elk herd in areas where you can't hunt the wolf. If there ever was a symptom that can confirm the diagnosis of stupid, this plan is it.

 

[rebel]

So basically we are saying here that elk over-populate in an area where you can't hunt them, so introduce a wolf. Then scratch your nutz in puzzlement when THEY over-populate and drive down an elk herd in areas where you can't hunt the wolf. If there ever was a symptom that can confirm the diagnosis of stupid, this plan is it.

Yep snert, that is what he is saying. He oughta know, lives out there.

 

[snert]

Yep snert, that is what he is saying. He oughta know, lives out there.

And I meant no disrespect to anyone, except the wolf-loving/ anti-hunter...if that isn't like jumbo/ shrimp I don't know what is.

 

[dellet]

So basically we are saying here that elk over-populate in an area where you can't hunt them, so introduce a wolf. Then scratch your nutz in puzzlement when THEY over-populate and drive down an elk herd in areas where you can't hunt the wolf. If there ever was a symptom that can confirm the diagnosis of stupid, this plan is it.

I am from the government and I’m here to help.

Don’t worry, they will stay in the park, they have no reason to be close to humans.
http://www.timberwolfinformation.org/mt-wolf-trots-across-kalispell-school-playground/

 

[rebel]

And I meant no disrespect to anyone, except the wolf-loving/ anti-hunter...if that isn't like jumbo/ shrimp I don't know what is.

Didn't take it that way. Just saying we damn well know it was a stupid program, dellet got to watch it unfold.