sizing die label

[Prose]

with chapter 1 " I dont have Headspace "

Oh gosh I see where this needs to go, Chapter 2: My presses that bump

 

[hoz53]

This one?

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those are cool -i was thinking some time ago of getting stickers made like that to stick on the lock ring. using a sharpie is way to coarse when you get to the last .001 or so though. i think the shims are the way to go but i use a coax so they wont work with that. mabie i need to switch back to standard presses

 

[dolek]

I am the fan of measuring before and again after, before firing, after firing. Before sizing and again after sizing and that goers for the length of the chamber from the datum/shoulder to the bolt face. I know the length of the case after firing before I fire it.

Any reloader should be able to size cases for short chambers, any reloader should be able to size cases from minimum length/full length from minimum length to beyond field reject length from the shoulder to the case head.

I have always said grinding the die is not necessary, grinding the shell holder is not necessary, Skip's shims are not necessary and Redding competition shell holders are not necessary and I said Larry's dial indicator holder stand was not a head space gage; and then I found many reloaders did not know what a comparator stand was and they had no clue the major manufacturers of precision tools called the stand with a post a dial indicator stand/holder.

F. Guffey

A reloader would be wise to have an open mind,unless his only purpose is to reply to these threads and ruin the experience of others that may just be here to have a sensible conversation and maybe share ideas and learn. The year is 2018...

http://www.gunstop.com/products/reloading-dies/die-parts/die-shims-and-spacers/skips-die-shims

 

[hoz53]

Oh gosh I see where this needs to go, Chapter 2: My presses that bump

yes youve got it

 

[spife7980]

Oh gosh I see where this needs to go, Chapter 2: My presses that bump

Take note, I used quotations as they are actual fguffey quotes

Chapter 3: "I also have a gage that no one else uses. It is not complicated but it could take 4 hours to explain"
Chapter 4: "I am the only reloader..."

 

[pirate ammo]

the only headspace I have is taking up whth brain matter,which allows me to think and understand,some info here I can understand,
some might as well be different language

 

[SteveOak]

I had a set of Skip's shims but they sat for a long time and they rusted.

I bought another set of Skips shims from Brownell's, They arrived rusted. I got a replacement set from Brownell's, they are rusted too.

I gave up on Skip's shims and bought a PMA micro adjuster. I haven't used it yet so I can't comment on how well it works as this set of cases have only been fired once and are not long enough to be bumped.

It would seem to address both elements, a way to make small, repeatable adjustments and a reference point.

 

[fguffey]

It would seem to address both elements, a way to make small, repeatable adjustments and a reference point.

There is a tool that accomplishes both, I could say there are several tools that exist that I am beginning to think is beyond the ability of most reloaders to use. I use a height gage, all of my dial calipers are height gages and there are a few I have made. If a reloader chooses to adjust the die start by measuring the height of the die above the press; now that is something that could drive most reloaders to the curb because it involves understanding 'zero'.

F. Guffey

 

[hoz53]

I had a set of Skip's shims but they sat for a long time and they rusted.

I bought another set of Skips shims from Brownell's, They arrived rusted. I got a replacement set from Brownell's, they are rusted too.

I gave up on Skip's shims and bought a PMA micro adjuster. I haven't used it yet so I can't comment on how well it works as this set of cases have only been fired once and are not long enough to be bumped.

It would seem to address both elements, a way to make small, repeatable adjustments and a reference point.

i just dont want to buy one of those microadjusters for every set of dies is all-- thanks for the info on the rust- if i get some ill blue them--

 

[Ringostar]

Lock rings with degree marks would sure come in handy. It shouldn't be that hard for a manufacturer to produce.

 

[SteveOak]

There is a tool that accomplishes both, I could say there are several tools that exist that I am beginning to think is beyond the ability of most reloaders to use. I use a height gage, all of my dial calipers are height gages and there are a few I have made. If a reloader chooses to adjust the die start by measuring the height of the die above the press; now that is something that could drive most reloaders to the curb because it involves understanding 'zero'.

F. Guffey

A height gauge does not provides a means of adjusting the die. Calipers do not either.

 

[jimmymac]

No rust problems over here. I have several sets.

 

[hoz53]

A height gauge does not provides a means of adjusting the die. Calipers do not either.

a mere mortal challenging the Guff method?...

 

[jimmymac]

a mere mortal challenging the Guff method?...

I need a software upgrade on my decoder ring to figure out what that method actually is.

 

[hoz53]

I need a software upgrade on my decoder ring to figure out what that method actually is.

lol i think i need more than that

 

[rardoin]

"now that is something that could drive most reloaders to the curb because it involves understanding 'zero'."

F. Guffey

Yet your comment above is a bit contraditory to your well established supposition based upon many, if not all, of your posts that all reloaders understand ZERO. Of course you exclude yourself from that comment. I'm still not sure if you are a troll or a $hi+ stirrer. I would never put you on ignore as the entertainment value is simply priceless. Keep up the good work.

 

[dmoran]

@rardoin
Your forgetting: "he is the only one"
Which pretty much sums it up. He does things his way, which in his twisted mind is always the right way and smartest way. All others say and do; the wrong way and/or dumb ways.

It's obvious @fguffey communicates "reloaders" as everyone but himself. So by his conceptions, if one reloader does or says something, it stands that all reloaders in general, do as well.

One thing he never provides, is how all his methods and ways of doing things, stack up in terms of accuracy capability. He is a firm believer and advocate of: forming larger cases to fit smaller chambers. Which by itself has been widely proven to hinder accuracy potential compared to expansion forming of smaller cases and/or cartridge specific new brass. His methods are products of +50-year old technology, far more then by current or modern technology, and are not advancement.

But maybe I'm the only one here...
Donovan

 

[rardoin]

The key is not letting F. Guffey get into your 'headspace'.

Just a thread 'bump'. Threads can be bumped, can't they???

 

[jepp2]

I bought another set of Skips shims from Brownell's, They arrived rusted. I got a replacement set from Brownell's, they are rusted too.

I had the same experience. They checked the inventory and they all were rusted.

 

[fguffey]

A height gauge does not provides a means of adjusting the die. Calipers do not either.

Steve Oak, I doubt you can get your money back, all of my dial calipers measure case head protrusion, protruding primers, case head protrusion from a Wilson case gage and the height of the die above the press. when I raise the bottom of the die off of the shell holder the die increases in height above the top of the press in the same amount. All of my dies are solid, the top of the die is connected to the bottom of the die.



F. Guffey