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Adjustable Scope Bases/Rings for ELR

IMO, if you can afford it, the Charlie TARAC seems to be the best solution to the elevation problem.

Lots of ELR teams are going away from adjustable scope rings and high elevation mounts in favor of these units.

Repeatable, no ungodly high cheek wield, can swap between different rifles. They are coming out with a user adjustable unit as well, which has 4 (I believe it's 4) present elevations per the users specifications.

I have an adjustable unit coming, looking forward to getting my hands on it.
 
Al Warner has one he's working on. I saw his second version in his shop the other day. Combined with the scope I think it can be use to get something like 400MOA. I'm not sure where he stands with development so I'm not going to talk about the design. Considering Al's history with manufacturing sights I'd trust his work not to have too many stacking issues. (I think that was the reason he changed from his original design)
 
Esoteric Junkie said:
Alloy Rings,
You might want to forgo the low rings and move up to mediums or high. I am not sure the scope bell will clear the barrel with low rings:D:D.

Is this an adjustable mount or fixed 50/100moa? It appears to be a fixed mount. Also what is the reasoning for the height?

EJ
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Murphy's precision made me a 70 MOA Picatinny Steel base for my Lawton 7500. Cost me $125.00. This will get my 338 Lapua Ackley to 2000 yards without touching my scope.

https://www.murphyprecision.com
 
DocUSMCRetired said:
What is the accuracy certification with your testing process?
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The reticle lines up to the frozen reticle after a shot is taken. If it doesnt, it moved, and is of no use to a precision shooter. The level of accuracy is what is detectable by the human eye. 1/16 moa or better. If it moves enough to actually see it, theres a problem.
 
Alex Wheeler said:
The reticle lines up to the frozen reticle after a shot is taken. If it doesnt, it moved, and is of no use to a precision shooter. The level of accuracy is what is detectable by the human eye. 1/16 moa or better. If it moves enough to actually see it, theres a problem.
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Is this on a concrete mounted heavy rail gun? With a dual scope mount?
 
No, the dual scopes negate the need for something like that. You can hold the gun upside down and the results wont be effected. 2 scopes aimed to the same point form a triangle that pivots at the target, as the frozen scope is always realigned to the aim point.
 
Alex Wheeler said:
No, the dual scopes negate the need for something like that. You can hold the gun upside down and the results wont be effected. 2 scopes aimed to the same point form a triangle that pivots at the target, as the frozen scope is always realigned to the aim point.
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If one of the scopes are no longer aligned, how do you know which one it is? What is the method used to verify which scope is the culprit?
 
Alex Wheeler said:
One is frozen. Locked solid. No adjustments.
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Frozen with glue? Specifically machined in to a scope housing with no turrets or adjustments then fitted?

Mounted on a pic rail (which Spuhr did some pretty good testing on, and found lots of movement in many manufacturers rings)?

Just trying to asses the method that is used, to compare against the laboratory system that Deon has in place for reference.
 
Yes, frozen mechanically. Set in pic rings. Every Kahles has passed with zero movement, while others display the same type of movement within the model. The test is proven. If you are not testing a scope under actual recoil mounted on a rifle your not doing a valid test in my book. You need the recoil pulse and concussion from the muzzle blast.
 
Alex Wheeler said:
Yes, frozen mechanically. Set in pic rings. Every Kahles has passed with zero movement, while others display the same type of movement within the model. The test is proven. If you are not testing a scope under actual recoil mounted on a rifle your not doing a valid test in my book. You need the recoil pulse and concussion from the muzzle blast.
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There is a more scientific/laboratory way of doing it. Which does account for varying levels of recoil. However I am not certain at this time if I can share the details of that equipment. I need to inquire first.

It removes the need for a second scope, and is not subject to mounted rings having the possibility to move. Especially on larger recoil impulses like .416 and up. Pretty clever system, and even maps the recoil impulse.
 
Concussion? I have made them move firing a .44 mag next to the scope. This scope test using 2 scopes is just so simple and relatively cheap, plus you dont need a "labratory". I could start calling deep creek a "lab" however ;) Go look at the scope checking thread for all the details. When you can mount 8 of the same scopes and they are all rock solid that tells you the rings are good. While 8 of a different model all move and in the same direction, well thats pretty solid data. March scopes do have an excellent track record by the way. I'd bet March fully supports this test. The reason March exists is because of people long before me used/invented this test to realize there was a big problem with scopes moving. Thats why we have March. Not to worry, Im done posting results. Dont need the grief, I just want to know for me and my customers.
 
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