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Varmint caliber ideas?

Phil said:
When you did your SCC, and shortly after Lapua introduced brass along with Whiddens dies I was in, to bad your reamer didn`t match the new Lapua offering, hard to tell what the numbers were since a print was never provided.
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So confusing disappointing to read this thread. The 20Fireblaster is a knock off although I don't think exactly the same and not sure I understand why it was developed. I have several 20 SCC's and in fact the chamber reamer for the 20 SCC and dies for the 20 SCC from Whidden dies work fine with Lapua brass. I have used over 500 rounds with multiple loads with no problem what soever in all my rifles. I am really confused why someone would spend the money and the time to re-invent a case design similar to another when the original design has been well thought out and is proven. My understanding is that several people were involved in the 20 SCC design, and while I was very skeptical it is in fact a proven design. I shoot 20 Var Targ's and I feel the 20 SCC is a far better design as var as performance and case life. When you can in fact buy already made dies that work well with the design, why would you want to try to copy and then have to custom order the dies and wait for dies to be made. I know for fact that the 20 SCC is a fine little 20 cal that is proven, well designed and oh buy the way, you can buy dies already made for it. Really a confusing thread? My 2 cents at least as a 20 SCC shooter.
 
Brad,

I`m glad there are guy`s running the Lapua brass with your reamer, that was`t the case for mine.

If you recall there was issues with the go / no go gauges, and i suspect the reamer as well, as mine was not as forgiving to the brass....mine was the last reamer to come from a certain grinder.

Joe had this reamer thought out specifically with the Lapua dimensions, i asked him if he would share it with me, which he did.

I changed a couple of things that I wanted changed and re-chambered my rifle to be able to utilize the brass i had.

As for being respectful, i believe i have been, we have had many telephone conversations in where info was exchanged and asked for it to be kept from general knowledge, it has been.....and will continue to be.

This only got brought up because i was accused of doing something that i don`t feel was wrong in any way.

I received something that did`t work for me, so i fixed it, nothing more.

Anyone can have a .20-221AI reamer ground.

Conversation over.

Phil.
 
I'm not going to buy Norma brass, if He!! froze over.. nor turn another neck on a piece of brass.
I have been running a 221 (tight neck ) fireball since the 80's, made brass from everything I could get my hands on. When Norma offered the 221 brass, I got 25 cases, every one had a offset primer pocket.. I sent them to Bill K.

Since I got into the shooting game, I followed suit, I ran a dasher up till 2 years ago, then I "seen" a case that I liked, heard great stories about, found some great loads, and easy to shoot/make, and it's just hit this board this year. 6BRAI mine has a shorter neck. Don't get one, you'll be shooting a Knock off..

My 20 cal Whidden dies cost me 225, off my reamer print, which varies alittle from Phil's.
Since everyone has their preferences, Mine is no turn necks, and minimal base sizing..
 
Phil,

You are correct that anyone can have a 20-221ai reamer ground. What you seem to be missing is the fact that you essentially copied someone else's design. When you originally asked to have a custom 20scc reamer made with your neck dimensions I tried to talk you out of it but you insisted. Lets not forget the reason that we first talked about a 20SCC reamer. It started with me receiving a phone call from Dave at PTG letting me know that someone (you)was attempting to get them to release a proprietary print without authorization. I remember the conversation well because Dave took time to call me directly after his normal business hours to fill me in on the situation. For the record I was never interested or looking for an argument over this, however it's bothersome when someone admits in the open forum that they copied your design and then has the balls to basically say "conversation over" and expect everyone to move on like nothing happened. What a joke


Phil said:
Brad,

I`m glad there are guy`s running the Lapua brass with your reamer, that was`t the case for mine.

If you recall there was issues with the go / no go gauges, and i suspect the reamer as well, as mine was not as forgiving to the brass....mine was the last reamer to come from a certain grinder.

Joe had this reamer thought out specifically with the Lapua dimensions, i asked him if he would share it with me, which he did.

I changed a couple of things that I wanted changed and re-chambered my rifle to be able to utilize the brass i had.

As for being respectful, i believe i have been, we have had many telephone conversations in where info was exchanged and asked for it to be kept from general knowledge, it has been.....and will continue to be.

This only got brought up because i was accused of doing something that i don`t feel was wrong in any way.

I received something that did`t work for me, so i fixed it, nothing more.

Anyone can have a .20-221AI reamer ground.

Conversation over.

Phil.
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Amazing how everything turns into a argument!!! I only started this thread for good info and ideas on what calibers are out there. I have your basic calibers and thats how my brain thinks. So i asked the good people on here for unique different caliber ideas.
As far as the 20scc its great caliber hell anything in 20 cal is great overall!!! Ive learned in my short life so far people work hard for others to take credit for!!!
 
JORTZ,
First off let me apologize for Junking up your thread, I wouldn't normally do such a thing but people ripping off designs tends to annoy me. Again my apologies for taking the thread off topic.

JORTZ said:
Amazing how everything turns into a argument!!! I only started this thread for good info and ideas on what calibers are out there. I have your basic calibers and thats how my brain thinks. So i asked the good people on here for unique different caliber ideas.
As far as the 20scc its great caliber hell anything in 20 cal is great overall!!! Ive learned in my short life so far people work hard for others to take credit for!!!
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Wirelessguy2005 said:
JORTZ,
First off let me apologize for Junking up your thread, I wouldn't normally do such a thing but people ripping off designs tends to annoy me. Again my apologies for taking the thread off topic.
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This is exactly why I suggested you take the affirmative step, choose a basic cartridge range and decide on something that isn't going to be more work processing than shooting.
 
Wirelessguy2005 said:
JORTZ,
First off let me apologize for Junking up your thread, I wouldn't normally do such a thing but people ripping off designs tends to annoy me. Again my apologies for taking the thread off topic.
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167 replies to a simple question. Sometime I wish the OP could delet the original post and all the following threads. There are original post on this website back to 2004. People are answering post that were put up years ago. Once I asked the Forum Boss if they could delet eveything older than 3 years to clean up the website. No response that I recall.

There are 207,000 messages on the Reloading Forum, 49,000 on Varmint forum.
 
JORTZ said:
So i have a 204 220swift 223 22250 243 basic calibers for varmint hunting. Im looking for something different to do. Any ideas?
Im throwing a couple ideas
Another 220 swift
20vt
30br
Looking for something different
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You have overkill for the smaller calibers. At some point they are all the same. You need to go bigger. Forget the Dasher and 6BR. Get a 6BRX with a twist for 80-95 gr bullets. Maybe a 9 or 10 twist for 105 gr bullets.
 
For the record the case labeled as 20 SCC in Gabe's picture is in fact Not a 20 SCC. Looks to be a neck turned 20vt case that has not been fired. The real 20 SCC has a 40 degree ackley improved shoulder as well as straightened case walls and the shoulder is moved forward slightly. The difference between the 20SCC and a standard 20vt is about 300-400fps. The 20scc requires less sizing and offers increased brass life. Also worth mentioning the true 20scc is a no turn neck and has custom Whidden dies made to match the chamber reamer.
 
Stiller action, Mullerworks barrel I polished, (Memphis mafia chambered it), Kelbly stock, jewel triggerAC600E30-B179-464D-8BDD-C5BDB781DE85.jpeg
 
You maybe correct Brad, as that is how I received it. It does have a different shoulder angle though.
 
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