Shooting a Mile

[Milo 2.0]

Again, that's what forums breed. Just need to move thru it and make YOUR point and hope it helps the OP make a good choice. I've benefited from many experiences off this forum so it's real hard to beat up a on a response.

I hope it did not sound like I was bashing a resource either, I was stating it would be nice to stay on track with the parameters given.
I could have the op hitting 1 mile within 45 min of meeting him, as long as the target was placed where misses could be spotted. And I had a scope of mine with me where if his optic or scope base not enough, we'd slap mine on, zero, chrono, and plug his data into my kestrel 5700 and go to town, because it is that simple. People complicate things and lately it's driving me nuts.

 

[Depart123]

Look fellas, I'm just trying to interject a bit of my own reality into the discussion. As Milo pointed out, hopefully the OP is getting enough feedback from differing viewpoints.


First off what do YOU mean by "do so well"? You speaking from within the context of shooting for score on a fixed distance range, after sighters, correct?

In contrast, I'm speaking to field shooting & even hunting, where "sighters" and aggregates don't mean SQUAT. The notion that some shooters take pride in making hits without sighters & windflags to "do well" might be foreign to you?

To that point, heck, my peashooter .22-243AI with a 75Amax beats the pants off a 6.5Creed out to 1K. To the tune of like 1.7MILS....which is insane! Nearly same beating is dished from a larger 6.5mm like a 6.5SAUM. The Creed is like chunkin' punkins, comparatively...

My 6x47L is the same way. Sure, it'll make 1K, but past about 800 the performance ain't nuthin' to write home about.

So, when I say "suckin' wind", I mean SUCKIN' WIND. The thought of pushing a Creed another 760yds, in my opinion, is a fool's errand. But if it tickles your fancy, have at it! I know if I were just starting out, I'd appreciate some candor interjected to the discussion...

BTW, seems as though you were reading too much into my posts? I never said the 6.5Creed was incapable @ 1K. Just that, compared to other rifles I've shot side by side, it is inferior. Just like I typed the first time. And @ 1760, I (personally) wouldn't even bother. That's NOT to discourage any new shooter from trying it, rather to just keep their expectations realistic...low.

Oh, and my 30 cal wildcat is off an Improved .338Norma Mag. It'll do a 215Hybrid over 3200 or a 230 @ 3100, take your pick. I like the 215s...
This is that rifle at one of my long spots. No no bench, no joystick rest, no wind flags to help me "do so well" with...

Taking that into consideration, one might see that a contrary opinion might yet have some validity? If OP is gonna shoot at a square range with oodles of wind flags to inspect, then a 6.5Creed at one mile might not be such a waste of time?

For how I shoot, it is.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier in the thread. Too many here seem to be completely unable to separate remote possibility from repeatable probability. To them, it's all the same. You are wasting your breath.

 

[retired]

you have not listened to the op.
he is not open field shooting.
he is fixed distance shooting and can shoot as many sighters as he wants.

you have tried to force your shooting style to answer the question which is 100 percent wrong.
go read the question and take an opened minded look at his question not your limited personal experience.
dmoran's experience if very appropriate to the question.

You must not be paying attention?
RE: post #45 you missed???


That's what I was replying to. (and I actually agree with the last part )

Look fellas, I'm just trying to interject a bit of my own reality into the discussion. As Milo pointed out, hopefully the OP is getting enough feedback from differing viewpoints.


First off what do YOU mean by "do so well"? You speaking from within the context of shooting for score on a fixed distance range, after sighters, correct?

In contrast, I'm speaking to field shooting & even hunting, where "sighters" and aggregates don't mean SQUAT. The notion that some shooters take pride in making hits without sighters & windflags to "do well" might be foreign to you?

To that point, heck, my peashooter .22-243AI with a 75Amax beats the pants off a 6.5Creed out to 1K. To the tune of like 1.7MILS....which is insane! Nearly same beating is dished from a larger 6.5mm like a 6.5SAUM. The Creed is like chunkin' punkins, comparatively...

My 6x47L is the same way. Sure, it'll make 1K, but past about 800 the performance ain't nuthin' to write home about.

So, when I say "suckin' wind", I mean SUCKIN' WIND. The thought of pushing a Creed another 760yds, in my opinion, is a fool's errand. But if it tickles your fancy, have at it! I know if I were just starting out, I'd appreciate some candor interjected to the discussion...

BTW, seems as though you were reading too much into my posts? I never said the 6.5Creed was incapable @ 1K. Just that, compared to other rifles I've shot side by side, it is inferior. Just like I typed the first time. And @ 1760, I (personally) wouldn't even bother. That's NOT to discourage any new shooter from trying it, rather to just keep their expectations realistic...low.

Oh, and my 30 cal wildcat is off an Improved .338Norma Mag. It'll do a 215Hybrid over 3200 or a 230 @ 3100, take your pick. I like the 215s...
This is that rifle at one of my long spots. No no bench, no joystick rest, no wind flags to help me "do so well" with...

Taking that into consideration, one might see that a contrary opinion might yet have some validity? If OP is gonna shoot at a square range with oodles of wind flags to inspect, then a 6.5Creed at one mile might not be such a waste of time?

For how I shoot, it is.

 

[Milo 2.0]

you have not listened to the op.
he is not open field shooting.
he is fixed distance shooting and can shoot as many sighters as he wants.

you have tried to force your shooting style to answer the question which is 100 percent wrong.
go read the question and take an opened minded look at his question not your limited personal experience.
dmoran's experience if very appropriate to the question.

It's getting to be here that a lot of posts end up down a rabbit hole, and derailed quickly. Some just cannot be supportive, say, roll the dice and let it rip. If the results not satisfactory, regroup and punt if you want to throw coin at it. Like dmoran said early, a lot more satisfaction hitting far targets with smaller calibers than boomers, brings out a skill set that the magnum crowd will never experience.

 

[fredo]

@fredo
You need a super hero badge, since the equipment, the manor and the calibers you use chose, are some how so much more riotous (in your mind) then what other persons may chose and use. You rock !.!.!

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Personally, I enjoy shooting 1-mile with smaller calibers, and feel there can be more to be learned with them in the attempts then big-bores with ballistic supremacy. The way I think about it, and say a 100-MOA shot, is pretty much the same ballistically for any caliber and bullet, just that the final target distance will very.
Donovan

Listen here, Sir.

You might go back & read YOUR post where you questioned & 'called me out'?

All I did is reply, in turn.

Puleez, don't be so petty as to 'bait' me into responding, then try to use it to make me look bad.
I know what ya did, and others can see that for what it is. So, how bout you get over yourself & stop projecting your omnipotence onto me...

Thanks

Sorry, OP.
Can you shoot 1 mile with a 6.5Creed? YES!

Is it worth trying? SURE, if you're having fun, then have at it!
(low hit % is not MY idea of "fun", its more akin to a game of chance. And I ain't a gambler)

Once you've done it, you'll see what I mean about that...

I'd never discourage anyone from enjoying the shooting sports! But I WILL try to lay it out & 'keep it real' to someone who's getting mostly the same feedback, just for the sake of conversation.

Let us know how ya make out!!!

 

[CharlieNC]

6.5 Creed at 2500yd. Challenging in the wind.

 

[LHSmith]

Listen here, Sir.

You might go back & read YOUR post where you questioned & 'called me out'?

All I did is reply, in turn.

Puleez, don't be so petty as to 'bait' me into responding, then try to use it to make me look bad.
I know what ya did, and others can see that for what it is. So, how bout you get over yourself & stop projecting your omnipotence onto me...

Thanks

Sorry, OP.
Can you shoot 1 mile with a 6.5Creed? YES!

Is it worth trying? SURE, if you're having fun, then have at it!
(low hit % is not MY idea of "fun", its more akin to a game of chance. And I ain't a gambler)

Once you've done it, you'll see what I mean about that...

I'd never discourage anyone from enjoying the shooting sports! But I WILL try to lay it out & 'keep it real' to someone who's getting mostly the same feedback, just for the sake of conversation.

Let us know how ya make out!!!

As my granddaughters favorite song says- Let It Go

 

[DirtySteve]

Gentlemen, Can we please not scare the OP off from the forum... Yes a 6.5 Creedmoor will go a mile and hit a target. Best caliber for the job? No. Will he get a feel for what it is like? Yes. So move along nothing to see here folks... Unless you wish to post something relevant to the OP.

 

[tonysnoo]

I really like the idea of this young guy using a 6.5 creed(or any small caliber) to shoot a mile. Here is why...

He is obviously starting out in our sport... yay!
He will learn what techniques it takes to make accurate shots on his way out to that distance...yay!
He will more than likely learn a lot about load development...yay!
He wont break the bank with equipment and components. .. yay!

Lots of positives on this...lets wish him much success!

PS Merry Christmas

 

[people]

As my granddaughters favorite song says- Let It Go

You should get a two day ban just for posting that song.

 

[LHSmith]

You should get a two day ban just for posting that song.

Probably right. In the holiday spirit, I will impose the two day ban on myself.

 

[fredo]

6.5 Creed at 2500yd. Challenging in the wind.

Perfect example of a waist of time, thanks for sharing!

 

[CharlieNC]

Perfect example of a waist of time, thanks for sharing!

Merry Christmas.

 

[4xforfun]

I have two ways of looking at this.


1). I have many people ask if they can go out with me sometime and shoot my big guns out to XXXX yards. I ALWAYS put them behind either my Dasher or my 6-47L first. Why? RECOIL. Even a breaked boomer still kicks, and then there is the muzzle blast. Now, granted, I usually work my way out and only go to 1200 yards or so (1500 if it is one of those calm days) with new shooters and small guns....Why...

2) Where I shoot the wind is almost ALWAYS blowing and from 1/2 the clock in direction. The other thing that will scare a new shooter away is missing, and missing, and missing!! Putting them behind a manageable platform with a high probability of hits at manageble ranges and ya got em hooked!!! If they aren't smiling , it's because they are laughing!!

Then it is the bigger guns out to a mile...I don't shoot the smaller guns on my "range" because it is hard to see impacts at my mile (1728) target. Now, to some, my "bigger guns" aren't so big.....300 Wby's (210, 215, 230) and 338 EDGE's....but to most shooters....the guys who grew up shooting dad's 243 or 270, they are plenty big.

Now...to the OP.....SHOOT THE CREED!! Start close and work your way out if possable. Have BIG fun and don't let the misses scare you away.

Good luck,
Tod

PS...bring a friend...get em hooked, too!!

 

[fredo]

50 rounds & 4 hits= 8% hit ratio.

Or, a 92% failure rate. Guess it just depends on how ya look at it???

Happy New Year!!!

 

[seymour fish]

50 rounds & 4 hits= 8% hit ratio.[/. Very Grinch-like post. Ask yourself if you would want to stand there

 

[seymour fish]

Seymour Fish,
My post was based on the empirical data at hand. Nothing more, nothing less. It was not intended to be "Grinch like".
EJ[/QUOTE. Gotcha.

 

[seymour fish]

6.5 Creed at 2500yd. Challenging in the wind.

Charlie, to put a meaningful statistic to the video, a 1K fclass target expanded appropriately 2500+ yds, a sub MOA 10 ring (the steel plate), unlimited sighters, 20 for score, gives him roughly a 175 score, using one paltry windflag, off a spindly Harris bipod. Conditions were not stated, but seemed largely mild and steady, and any changes on the one flag pushed him around significantly, thus had “run out of gun”. All in all, quite impressive. Satisfies the Elmer Keith metric of “ would you be willing to stand there.

 

[CharlieNC]

One of the outdoor channels is showing episodes of the latest KO2M competitions. So far in the qualifications only 2 of 8 have passed, and they are DQ for misses less than one mile. Top guys (including D Tubb) using top tier gear and large calibers. According to them the major ingredient is a good wind coach/spotter to correct. Having only shot a mile once using my 6.5x47, I agree!

 

[6MMsteve]

that Aussie guy and his wife Sam they do some serious long range shooting, I watchem all tha time if I had a place like that to shoot I would burn out barrels and my pockets, you can't shoot nowhere down here in Ky hardly there is a town with 3 people in it every 3 miles, look at the map, any more towns and they will have to assign numbers, because they would run out of names. Chicken Bristle, Clever, Uno, Pig Gut, Cut Tree, MawMaw