Urbanrifleman, If you already have all the answers, why are you still asking all these questions? Start building these championship winning rifles and report back. BE the future that you speak of.
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Pre-fit barrels with nuts are a solution to a problem that properly-made actions don't have.
urbanrifleman
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Huh?
urbanrifleman
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What is with all the hostility brutha? Who shook your tree? This is America isn't it? We can still have our own opinions right?
CharlieNC
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I will be shooting the same barrel again this year, so is Honeycutt! More shooters are adopting prefits and winning local matches too. The guys doing the chambering are the best machinists at the shop, and the borescoping on mine appeared excellent. Seems to me that a full time chambering specialist using modern equipment should be able to turn out top results. At this time a primary detriment is lack of custom dimensions.
urbanrifleman
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Really. FISS (2015) equipment list.
There are LOTS of precision rifle sports that are not short line benchrest. Although sometimes I think those guys that shoot that discipline consider all other target sports "not precision". Not saying that is you, but I do get that impression from some people.
urbanrifleman
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That is why I would spend the money on a custom action. So the mating to the barrel would be perfect and the action is true and works perfectly. I mean aside from installing the trigger (which could be done at the action maker to ensure that is perfect), the rest is just stock (at least in the case of a single shot).
Then of course, is the shooter.
Then of course, is the shooter.
If the action has a known:
boltface-to-shoulder dimension
thread dimension
bolt nose dimension/angle (if applicable)
the barrel can be fit and chambered without having the action in hand. For example, I can buy a nutless "pre-fit" barrel from Kelbly's simply by giving them the serial number of my Panda. In fact, I can buy a barrel fit to any Panda action and it will work perfectly in any of my own Pandas.
The nut-job is simply a mechanism to allow making pre-fit barrels for actions which have not been held to a standard boltface-to-shoulder dimension.
In other words, if you are using a mass-produced action with sloppy tolerances, then a nut-job pre-fit can make sense. If you are using a custom action with dimensions held to 0.001" or less (usually less), a barrel nut is just an ugly solution to a nonexistent problem.
urbanrifleman
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I suppose that is right. If we could just get all rifles to use custom made serialized actions from Kelbly, no one would need those ugly nuts!!!
I haven't noticed anyone bad mouthing my rifles as "ugly". Quite the contrary. Outside a small group of people, no one really gives a hoot if there is a nut on the front of the receiver as far as I can tell. The whole thing seems rather silly to me.
urbanrifleman
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Of course I can change my barrels to other actions.
I suppose if all of my actions were exactly the same I could do the same thing with a shouldered barrel as you say.
urbanrifleman
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Man, I called Kelbly and talked to them about actions and barrels. You are right!!! I suppose I had heard that before but it went in one ear and out the other. Kelbly will chamber your barrels and send them to you. That is AWESOME!! I think I will definitely have to do that. Thank you so much for the information!!!
Now my brain is concocting all kinds of ideas for the future!!! haha
Alex Wheeler
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Last I heard they will do it.
if i were planning a barrel nut rifle with a custom action i would certainly take a hard look at American Rifle Company's Mausingfield action. A combination of the best features of many classic rifles.
now if I were building a short range benchrest rifle Kelby Panda is hard to beat. they have quite a reputation
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Any gunsmith can chamber a Panda barrel for you without the action, same with Defiance. Those 2 are the only ones I know that time the thread start. You can still chamber for a Bat, Borden, ext without the action but the engraving will not line up, and if you time the barrel that wont line up either. Your smith should be able to take notes on those other actions so he will only need it one time. After that it should not be an issue for him to send you barrels.
urbanrifleman
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So, you are saying that Kelbly can make a barrel for an Atlas but the engraving may not line up?
Alex Wheeler
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They claim the Atlas threads are timed as well. I have not done enough of those to verify that, but I have no reason to doubt it. I do know the panda and defiance are good to go.
Brians356
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"Be the ball, Danny."
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Brians356
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They can't take your opinion away from you. No sir, no matter how wrong it might be.
"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."
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I have a Kelbly Panda barrelec action...not shot yet, rifle just assembled...really sold on the ability to order replacement barrels for this F-class competition gun without the delay of sending the action in.
I also have a 338 Edge hunting rifle built on a Stiller Predator with a McGowan remage prefit. Darn thing is the most accurate rifle I own, out to 2000 yards. It's insane. Consistency actually made a ladder test a challenge as it liked everything.
I don't buy that nuts are more or less accurate than shouldered barrels. There are a lot of factors at play, but across a dozen rifles I see non down side to nuts.
I also have a 338 Edge hunting rifle built on a Stiller Predator with a McGowan remage prefit. Darn thing is the most accurate rifle I own, out to 2000 yards. It's insane. Consistency actually made a ladder test a challenge as it liked everything.
I don't buy that nuts are more or less accurate than shouldered barrels. There are a lot of factors at play, but across a dozen rifles I see non down side to nuts.
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