I have been a member here since Nov1 2010 and I didn't know that there were established rules for 5000yd shooting and attempts at internet grandeur by making 5000yd shots. I am sure that if these shooters had known that they had to comply with your ideas and rules they would have produced an acceptable out come just to make you happy.
5,000 yd shot
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Serious, non-inflamitry question, preferably for those who shoot ELR:
Is it possible to do meaningful load development at that distance?
It occurs to me (who has no experience at that game) that trying to watch for dust splashes might not be the best way to find the most precise load;
that time spent at perhaps 500yds+/- would be more beneficial.
Lot of wind and weather to sort through at 5k.
Is it possible to do meaningful load development at that distance?
It occurs to me (who has no experience at that game) that trying to watch for dust splashes might not be the best way to find the most precise load;
that time spent at perhaps 500yds+/- would be more beneficial.
Lot of wind and weather to sort through at 5k.
4xforfun
We get a lot of folks coming out to the 1000 yd range during practice on Mondays. They bring all kinds of guns.
These folks drop into two groups. Some are students and end up shooting pretty good, with the limitation of their gun. The other group, a lot with their shiny new super magnum, never get on paper!
Most with hunting rifles who do shoot pretty good rarely do better than 12" groups. That is 1.2 MOA. At 5000 yd, that is 60 inches. With a quality gun, 8-10 inch at 1000 yd is pretty good. that equates to
40 to 50 inch groups.
I think this guy shot pretty good considering first time at 5000 yd!
We get a lot of folks coming out to the 1000 yd range during practice on Mondays. They bring all kinds of guns.
These folks drop into two groups. Some are students and end up shooting pretty good, with the limitation of their gun. The other group, a lot with their shiny new super magnum, never get on paper!
Most with hunting rifles who do shoot pretty good rarely do better than 12" groups. That is 1.2 MOA. At 5000 yd, that is 60 inches. With a quality gun, 8-10 inch at 1000 yd is pretty good. that equates to
40 to 50 inch groups.
I think this guy shot pretty good considering first time at 5000 yd!
I didn't comment on the 5000 yard shot...other than the math error....just figured I could make some quick cash from the 1000 yard line.
I CAN NOT make any 5000 yard shot with my equipment.....unless I simply hold my guns up at a 20 +degree angle and pull the trigger....might go 4000 yards might go 6000 yards, but all that I COULD HIT IS THE GROUND with any certainty!!
And, whoever said that a 3 inch group at 600 yards is = to a 6 inch group at 1200 and a 12 inch at 2400 has NEVER shot ELR. Yes, MATHMATICALY that is correct, but in reality....not a chance.
I follow two schools of thought.......accurate equipment shoots small groups at xyz distance, and accurate shooters make first round hits at XYZ distance. The equipment in the first can be used in the second, but not necessarily visa versa.
I would love to have access to 5000 yard equipment.....would be a blast!!!
Tod
Just my .02
Spin of the earth adjustment is a hard, known number...just like spin drift. Not a problem and can be figured into the first shot.
The wind on the other hand is PURE EVIL!!
The hardest part for most would be to find a place to shoot 5,000 yards. When I witnessed the 4752 yard shot I was on my yearly prairie dog hunt in S.D. The day we arrived is when we learned that a guy was attempting the shot. So we went over and watched.
I think y'all are missing the point here. Until this, hit the jungle drums, he was just another nobody. This has truly become the shot heard around the world. The guy is in business to capitalize on whatever notoriety he can muster from this publicity stunt. One can only imagine how much free advertizing he's getting from this.
There was a woman shot with a 50bmg at the Texas Motor Speedway. The bullet came through the roof of her motorhome. The guy who stepped forward and turned his rifle over to the authorities was something like ~5 miles away. Seems to me the long distance record is already taken.
There was a woman shot with a 50bmg at the Texas Motor Speedway. The bullet came through the roof of her motorhome. The guy who stepped forward and turned his rifle over to the authorities was something like ~5 miles away. Seems to me the long distance record is already taken.
i have been shooting F class for 8 years and have seen a significant increase in difficulty between 900 and 1000 yards! I started this game in an attempt to read wind because I shoot rabbits as far as possible. My current PB is 1015 metres or a bit over 1100 yards on a rabbit. I don't agree with or endorse shots on game animals at these distances. I have just started getting a 300 Norma going for a "miler" at a rabbit! But i know that even with a rifle capable of 1/8moa = as the distance increases the degree of difficultly goes up exponentially!
This shot was 3 times that distance and although i admire the gear and skill required it is simply not repeatable! The old saying I use a lot is "while there is lead in the air , there is hope!?"
Even with the best gear it is a matter of keep shooting until a hit is achieved!
So what is the point? next we try a few thousand rounds for 10K yards?
This shot was 3 times that distance and although i admire the gear and skill required it is simply not repeatable! The old saying I use a lot is "while there is lead in the air , there is hope!?"
Even with the best gear it is a matter of keep shooting until a hit is achieved!
So what is the point? next we try a few thousand rounds for 10K yards?
This is not being recognized as record by anyone I know and for several reasons. It was not under the auspices of any recognized group and thus did not have any real world limitations that would normally constitute a record. There are maybe 3 or more trying to take the lead in this search but no clear winners yet. A real record would limit the attempts to maybe 5 shots a DAY for instance. Next is establishing the MOA size of a recognized target that would hold for all distances. Maximum weight may be enforced, etc. If you live on the right side of the country and wish to join this quest, you are on the wrong side! Ask me how I know.
The degree of difficulty changes with distance similar to the Richter Scale for earthquakes.
It seems to me that too many who are not in the running, or will never attempt this, coupled with some organized shooters who want to control the direction of this game think that they are somehow the governing body of ELR shooting.
Every clown thinks he should have one stipulation on the list of rules.
The more I read on gun forums, the more I think the shooting community will soon be as screwed up as nascar.
If someone decides to flame me on this, I'll sit here all day and go back through snipers hide and list one by one every example of what I'm saying here.
Every clown thinks he should have one stipulation on the list of rules.
The more I read on gun forums, the more I think the shooting community will soon be as screwed up as nascar.
If someone decides to flame me on this, I'll sit here all day and go back through snipers hide and list one by one every example of what I'm saying here.
So what are you proposing? That all shooters need to be impressed by every dopey thing that any other shooter tries? Will you be equally impressed when someone hits a 6,000 yard target after 80 attempts?
If you want people to be impressed, do something impressive.
Wow, I guess my proposal would be, if you don't have a dog in the fight, stfu, sit back and enjoy, good things for ELR shooters will eventually come from all these attempts.
For crying out loud, guys are saying a record shot can only be obtained at sanctioned events, now I want my stipulation, it needs to be done north of Cheyenne WY.
You are right. You have to remember where they come from. Many come from the BR community where if you have not paid your dues to the BR community gods your "record setting group" is not worth the paper it was shot into. My favorite response is "why would it count if you have not paid to be a member?"
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/americans-set-new-long-range-world-record-5000-yards-2-84-miles/
Getting to the actual shot, Charlie, and his team loaded several 10 round batches that had different amounts of powder. They connected on the 40-inch target when shooting the 7th shot of the 3rd batch of ammo.
This is from that article. As I read it that would be 27 rounds.
First batch of ten would be shots 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10
Second batch of ten would be shots 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20
Third batch of ten would be shots 21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30 and shot 7 would be 27 not 37.
The article is very poorly written. That is saying a lot against them as anyone who is good with grammar knows I do not write well at all.
Getting to the actual shot, Charlie, and his team loaded several 10 round batches that had different amounts of powder. They connected on the 40-inch target when shooting the 7th shot of the 3rd batch of ammo.
This is from that article. As I read it that would be 27 rounds.
First batch of ten would be shots 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10
Second batch of ten would be shots 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20
Third batch of ten would be shots 21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30 and shot 7 would be 27 not 37.
The article is very poorly written. That is saying a lot against them as anyone who is good with grammar knows I do not write well at all.
That's like saying that no 2 snowflakes are the same as if every one that ever fell was compared to every other. I'm quite sure that in the history of the world many shooters have taken unreported shots at far away targets and used their "skill" to make hits at a 1-2% rate.
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