Time To Think This One Out

[USMCDOC]

Ok.. let me say, that first off, i am only using the 22BR as a reference for discussion. I have read other threads where they were just saying "why not just use the 22BR".. i understand what Nosler is trying to do here with the 22 Nosler.. in essence, trying to get basically a 22BR performance in a AR platform.. i get it!

But i am looking at this lil round in a bolt gun.. with the possibility of maybe using RL17 in it and the 90VLD's.

From what i can gather to this point is, the water capacity of the 22BR is some where in the 38.0-38.5 range and the 22 Nosler is round 37.4.

Along with the fact that the 22 Nosler is basically a rebated rim, there is a chance of more "thrust" on the bolt vs the .473 bolt face. But i have a feeling that it will depend also a lot on what powder you use, if it is a snappy recoil kind of powder, or if it has more of a "push" to it.

So i am thinking out loud here and wondering if this might work!

 

[5spd]

Don't know if you read over on the PM site, but a few posts of its use may be worth reading.
I have been thinking the same on a 22N on a Savage action, but now feel its not really worth it to me since I am already shooting a 55g in my 6x6.8 in the 3500-3600 range with a lot less hassle. Nosler 22N brass being as bad as it is stated by shooters/loaders to me is not worth it for my uses anyway.
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3067541#Post3067541

 

[BoydAllen]

While the rebated rim will increase the unit loading on the face of the bolt, it will have no effect on bolt thrust, the force that the bolt lugs and their abutments contain during firing. Before I started this project I would want to know what advantage this case would have other others. Nosler brass is, as I understand it made for them by Norma. The most likely source Of Br brass would likely be Lapua, if extremes in performance are desired. On the other hand, if the desire is simply to try something different, go for it.

 

[USMCDOC]

While the rebated rim will increase the unit loading on the face of the bolt, it will have no effect on bolt thrust, the force that the bolt lugs and their abutments contain during firing. Before I started this project I would want to know what advantage this case would have other others. Nosler brass is, as I understand it made for them by Norma. The most likely source Of Br brass would likely be Lapua, if extremes in performance are desired. On the other hand, if the desire is simply to try something different, go for it.

Well Boyd, one consideration is that i only have one action and it is a .378 bolt face.. i am not thinking about building on another action at the moment.. if i were going to do another action.. there is no doubt, it would be in fact a 22BR.. Pricing for brass is about on line for what i had expected it to be.. I am already thinking that barrel life will be around the 1500 rounds range..

Don't know if you read over on the PM site, but a few posts of its use may be worth reading.
I have been thinking the same on a 22N on a Savage action, but now feel its not really worth it to me since I am already shooting a 55g in my 6x6.8 in the 3500-3600 range with a lot less hassle. Nosler 22N brass being as bad as it is stated by shooters/loaders to me is not worth it for my uses anyway.
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3067541#Post3067541

Understand your position.. but i don't play with 55gr bullets

 

[USMCDOC]

Though i had considered opening the bolt up for the 6.8 case.. but then.. with the 22 Nosler case, i wouldn't have to do that

 

[BoydAllen]

Well Boyd, one consideration is that i only have one action and it is a .378 bolt face.. i am not thinking about building on another action at the moment.. if i were going to do another action.. there is no doubt, it would be in fact a 22BR.. Pricing for brass is about on line for what i had expected it to be.. I am already thinking that barrel life will be around the 1500 rounds range..

Understand your position.. but i don't play with 55gr bullets

I will be interested in how this works out, brilliantly I hope. Good luck with your project. Keep us posted as to your results.

 

[USMCDOC]

I will be interested in how this works out, brilliantly I hope. Good luck with your project. Keep us posted as to your results.

Well that is the reason that i started this thread.. of course if anyone else that is thinking about doing the same thing should feel more than welcome to join in.. my main goal of course is shooting 90's.. the only thing that i hunt is paper! And i am truly glad that you have a major interest in the idea! There is no promise that i will follow through with this, but at the moment, an open discussion should be a welcomed thing for right now.
But if i choose to follow through with it.. i think that a zero freebore reamer should be considered and then one could throat to the accord of what bullet they are using.

So Boyd, do you think that if this case were to have a 40 degree shoulder on it, that it might bring the H2O cap more on line with the 22BR?

 

[SmokinJoe]

Have you seriously considered a 223AI? It is a little smaller, but has great performance.

 

[expiper]

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/22-nozler-info.3924927/

Getting 53 gr SMK's around 3625 fps with 4895,,,,Roger

 

[BoydAllen]

If you want more capacity, and you are working with a bolt gun, you could play with the body taper a bit, look around at the least tapered cases and use the same rate per inch, using the length from the front of the extractor groove to the shoulder. You might also take a look at the comparison between the .284 and the .284 Shehane body dimensions a do some of that, as well as the 40 degree shoulder, and you might very well get there. Given that you seem to be up for the whole custom reamer, custom FL and seater deal, you might as well look at all of your options. Don't forget to look at FB diameter too, not that it relates to capacity, but I have been reading some and corresponding some and it sounds to me like this is an area where some up to date research might be in order.

 

[USMCDOC]

Have you seriously considered a 223AI? It is a little smaller, but has great performance.

Yes i have considered it..

 

[USMCDOC]

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/22-nozler-info.3924927/

Getting 53 gr SMK's around 3625 fps with 4895,,,,Roger

Roger, if one could get the 90's there and not make it into a smoothbore at the same time.. that would be nice wouldn't it!

 

[USMCDOC]

If you want more capacity, and you are working with a bolt gun, you could play with the body taper a bit, look around at the least tapered cases and use the same rate per inch, using the length from the front of the extractor groove to the shoulder. You might also take a look at the comparison between the .284 and the .284 Shehane body dimensions a do some of that, as well as the 40 degree shoulder, and you might very well get there. Given that you seem to be up for the whole custom reamer, custom FL and seater deal, you might as well look at all of your options. Don't forget to look at FB diameter too, not that it relates to capacity, but I have been reading some and corresponding some and it sounds to me like this is an area where some up to date research might be in order.

Thanks Boyd, i will have to look this over.. you have given me some things to think about .. i had already considered that if one was to go 40 degree shoulder, that some of that taper in the body of the case would have to be relaxed a tad..