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6mm 110 SMK twist info (sort of)

BoydAllen

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I have seen where some people have asked about twist rate for the new Sierra 6mm 110 gr. SMKs. I thought that I would add a little info on the subject. A friend has built a rifle that he uses to shoot at plates out to over 1,100 yards with some friends. He builds his own rifles, and has several that he uses for this informal shooting. One is chambered for a tight neck 6mm Rem. AI. It had previously been used with Berger VLDs and the barrel was an 8 twist. Like everyone else, my friend was interested in the new 110s because of the high BC. At first he tried the 8 twist barrel and although the bullets went through the target point first, the accuracy was very mediocre, nowhere near the bullet hole cutting bullet hole that he expects (at 100 yards off of a good bench, shooting over flags) , so he ordered a 7.5 twist (Bartlein I believe.) He worked up loads with the new bullets and tried a number of powders, but that is not my subject. Finally, he came up with a load that shoots very well. The velocity is 3,180 FPS. Now we get to the good part, I think that given the accuracy that he is getting both at 100 yards and at long distance, we can conclude that the spin rate is a good one.
Here is the math. We take the velocity, which is in feet per second and multiply that by 60 to get feet per minute. Then we multiply by 12 to get inches per minute, and divide by the twist rate, 7.5 to get RPM. In his case that works out to 305,280 RPM. Of course smaller cases will not be able to match his velocity, so you may need to do some testing to see what your speed is, by shooting some 110s with your old twist rate for your caliber too see what your velocity is. For example, if you are shooting at 2,800 fps with the 110s your velocity is 88% of my friend's, so to get to the same bullet RPM you would need a faster twist (lower twist number). Doing the math 7.5 times .88 equals 6.6. To check ourselves we redo the original calculation using 2,800 and 6.6. 2,800 x 60= 168,000 x 12= 2,016,000 divided by 6.6 = 305,454. (Chalk up the difference to rounding.) My point is that Sierra's twist requirement of 7 does not seem to be as conservative as it may seem at first glance.
 
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110 SMK 1:7 dasher report..... Shot 10 3 shot groups at 100 yards (due to the wind) loads were in one tenth increments using R15 and found it to be very potential. Kinda strange it printed 4 consecutive groups (31.6-31.9 all averaging in the .2s. Went back and loaded 5 rounds of each, retried again an found 31.7 & 31.8 to still print good, aprox .2s. Looks like I'm going to test these again tomorrow over the chronograph. Looking like the Sierra 110 MK might just get shot in a few weeks at our club match.
 
I received my sierra 110gr bullets earlier this week, so today i did a little testing with my 8 twist 6mm creedmoor. i found excellent accuracy at 3170fps while shooting at 200 yards. All my 3 shot groups measured mid 2's .
my barrel is a hawk hill and its a dandy. maybe the best 6mm 8 twist ive ever owned. i wasnt expecting to much with this barrel being an 8 twist with the heavier bullets but i was wrong. The temp here in Illinois today was 40 degrees. Dam chilly to be quite frank. Wind was blowing 7 to 12mph.
I shoot 42.5gr of H 4350 with no pressure signs at all. i was jumping my bullets .007.
only down note i might add, is that while sorting or measuring my bullets i found variations as much as .004 in bearing surface. i will also add i didnt see any real difference while shooting mixed lengths at 200 yards.,
more to come when it warms up a bit. Lee
 
Had to try 'em because of the BC. Shot in a 6BR 1/7.5 bartlien, varget, jammed 0.005 @ 600 yds. Average of 2 5 shot groups, similar, but not quite as accurate as 108 bergers. SMK with 29.6 - 29.8 varget actually printed 2" higher than bergers with 29.8 - 30 varget.
 
I received my sierra 110gr bullets earlier this week, so today i did a little testing with my 8 twist 6mm creedmoor. i found excellent accuracy at 3170fps while shooting at 200 yards. All my 3 shot groups measured mid 2's .
my barrel is a hawk hill and its a dandy. maybe the best 6mm 8 twist ive ever owned. i wasnt expecting to much with this barrel being an 8 twist with the heavier bullets but i was wrong. The temp here in Illinois today was 40 degrees. Dam chilly to be quite frank. Wind was blowing 7 to 12mph.
I shoot 42.5gr of H 4350 with no pressure signs at all. i was jumping my bullets .007.
only down note i might add, is that while sorting or measuring my bullets i found variations as much as .004 in bearing surface. i will also add i didnt see any real difference while shooting mixed lengths at 200 yards.,
more to come when it warms up a bit. Lee

Lee,
Do you by chance know your reamer spec on the 8 twist Hawk Hill? I have a 1:8 Hawk ordered and trying to decide on what reamer for the 6 Creed. GS has on hand a .277nk/.183fb PTG reamer that he says has chambered some .1's rifles. Thanks in advance.
Jake
 
The Simple Simon formula for bullet RPM is Velocity X 720 / twist rate.

In your example, 2800 X 720/7.5=268,800

The 720 number confused me for awhile, I thought it was number of seconds in a hour, but it's really 60 seconds X 12 inches.

To me, the issue I am most interested in, is what is the ideal spin rate as compared to max spin rating of the bullet, or if that indeed has anything to do with accuracy. In other words, is say 80% of max spin rating a good target to shoot for, or is there some other quality of the bullet, like perhaps sectional density or CG of the bullet the important factor.

Anyone have some good answers? Inquiring minds will surely want to know.
 
According to my twist calc's measuring the bullets they need a 1-7.533 twist min. at 3000fps. We've made a couple of 6mm barrels for the Sierra guys at 1-7.5 twist.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
 
According to my twist calc's measuring the bullets they need a 1-7.533 twist min. at 3000fps. We've made a couple of 6mm barrels for the Sierra guys at 1-7.5 twist.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels
Frank,,,I think your math is correct,,,,I shot some of the 110 SMK's in my 8 twist bbl and they were mediocre at best at 100yd testing ,,,I then tried my 7.5 twist bbl and they were "excellent" ,,,,no math involved except to measure the groups sizes ,,ahaha,,,Roger
 
Thanks for the post....very interesting.

I just bought 100 of the 110gr Sierras to try in my X-Caliber 6BRX 1-7 twist barrel....will advise.
 
Frank,,,I think your math is correct,,,,I shot some of the 110 SMK's in my 8 twist bbl and they were mediocre at best at 100yd testing ,,,I then tried my 7.5 twist bbl and they were "excellent" ,,,,no math involved except to measure the groups sizes ,,ahaha,,,Roger

I think they will shoot thru a 1-8 twist with proper velocity and or conditions but your probably going to give up some b.c. and also depending on how the barrel is made if you don't have a true/proper twist it can have a negative effect on accuracy as well.

Also I do feel the 1-8 twist would be on the ragged edge of working or not given all the different variables out there. If it was my gun I'd do the 1-7.5 or even a 1-7.25.

With the small caliber bullets in say 6mm and smaller I hate spinning any real faster than I have to. Worried about the velocity and rpm of the bullet working on tearing the bullets a part.

Later, Frank
 

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