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[BP1]

When you are on the line shooting and there is a cease fired called and you jam your loads.What is the proper procedure for unloading the rifle.

 

[Mozella]

Open the bolt and remove the cartridge.

I jam my F/TR ammo .010" with only .001" neck tension (or what passes for neck tension) and I've never had a problem. However, it should be pointed out that I wet Molly coat my bullets and that may explain why they don't stick in the rifling. YMMV

 

[skiutah02]

1) Pray that the bullet doesn't stay in the lands and dump powder in your action.
2) Open bolt, remove cartridge and insert ECI provided the bullet comes with the case.

The other option is to switch the order of 1 and 2.

Drew

 

[BP1]

So if the bullet stays in the barrel your relay is over.

 

[chkunz]

So if the bullet stays in the barrel your relay is over.

Is that a statement or a question?

 

[BP1]

Is that a statement or a question?

I'm going to say a question Alex for $200.

 

[skiutah02]

So if the bullet stays in the barrel your relay is over.

No, it shouldn't automatically disqualify. From my experience (when it's happened to others), the Match Director is brought over and he allows the competitor to safely knock it out with a cleaning Rod. Back to shooting once chamber is blown out with canned air. Hasn't happened to me personally, but I only shoot one rifle jammed and that rifle likes alot of neck tension on the bullet so it does not come free.

 

[Jay Christopherson]

I've heard rumors that someone stuck a bullet 17 record shots in, emptied powder in to his action, fouling the trigger. MD allowed him to attempt to recover, so he field stripped the rifle to clear the trigger (bending the crap out the trigger shoe in the process), cleared the bullet, re-assembled everything, laid back down... and promptly fired a 6 because the elevation knob moved while all of the above went on, followed by an 8 and a 9. Then to add insult to injury, left the line after finishing and realized there wasn't enough ammo to finish the match anyhow.

So - no, your relay is not necessarily over.

 

[mac86951]

So - no, your relay is not necessarily over.

Good point; may be worth a practice run; or at least a reasonable expectation of shooting results after the stress-frustration bump.

 

[XTR]

I've never seen anyone object to a competitor running a cleaning rod in to knock out a stuck bullet or case.

If you jam and you have light neck tension and you have to unload you would be well advised to tip the muzzle up and try to control the process so you don't fill the action with powder.

I jam my 223s with 90VLDs but there is enough neck tension that I've never pulled one. I've never had a 308 load that needed to be jammed to shoot.

 

[dannyjbiggs]

When you are on the line shooting and there is a cease fired called and you jam your loads. What is the proper procedure for unloading the rifle.

Raise the bolt handle, gently try to pull the bolt back*.

1. If it appears to open freely, proceed to remove cartridge, and insert OBI.

2. If you feel resistance to pulling the bolt back (and you happen to use light neck tension), go to a kneeling position and raise the muzzle pointing down range but practically vertical, and resume pulling the bolt downward. (*The reason to go to the vertical is to mitigate powder spill inside the action...you may be required to shoot again shortly!) The cartridge may come out unscathed, insert OBI, and assume prone position. Otherwise, you may find yourself gently pounding the bolt handle downward with one hand while the other is just below the bolt to keep it from slamming open (again to mitigate powder spill), and you will probably wind up with a pulled bullet lodged in the barrel, yet hopefully able to delicately remove a powder filled case?! Lay that case aside, use a cleaning rod to push out the stuck bullet, insert OBI, assume prone position. When you go to knee, other shooters will immediately know your plight, and offer assistance...range personnel will definitely come supervise you. If your neck tension is such that you can not pound the loaded round out of the chamber, keep the muzzle up and down range...signal a linesman and you will be taken care of.

I've been there before.

Dan

 

[BP1]

I've never seen anyone object to a competitor running a cleaning rod in to knock out a stuck bullet or case.

If you jam and you have light neck tension and you have to unload you would be well advised to tip the muzzle up and try to control the process so you don't fill the action with powder.

I jam my 223s with 90VLDs but there is enough neck tension that I've never pulled one. I've never had a 308 load that needed to be jammed to shoot.

This is pretty much what I would expect to do.Drew it's your fault once I tried the 7 thousandth jam with the 90gr vlds the gun just loves itLol!!

 

[USMCDOC]

Raise the bolt handle, gently try to pull the bolt back*.

1. If it appears to open freely, proceed to remove cartridge, and insert OBI.

2. If you feel resistance to pulling the bolt back (and you happen to use light neck tension), go to a kneeling position and raise the muzzle pointing down range but practically vertical, and resume pulling the bolt downward. (*The reason to go to the vertical is to mitigate powder spill inside the action...you may be required to shoot again shortly!) The cartridge may come out unscathed, insert OBI, and assume prone position. Otherwise, you may find yourself gently pounding the bolt handle downward with one hand while the other is just below the bolt to keep it from slamming open (again to mitigate powder spill), and you will probably wind up with a pulled bullet lodged in the barrel, yet hopefully able to delicately remove a powder filled case?! Lay that case aside, use a cleaning rod to push out the stuck bullet, insert OBI, assume prone position. When you go to knee, other shooters will immediately know your plight, and offer assistance...range personnel will definitely come supervise you. If your neck tension is such that you can not pound the loaded round out of the chamber, keep the muzzle up and down range...signal a linesman and you will be taken care of.

I've been there before.

Dan

Yes.. happens all the time at the Nationals at Perry!

 

[BP1]

Thanks fellas now my mind is at ease.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

If you have a cease fire or a misfire and you are jamming your bullets, the easiest thing to do is open the bolt, but don't pull it back. Lift the rifle by the underguard and if the bullet is not jammed, the bolt should open by itself. If it doesn't pull the bolt back and if the bullet stays in the barrel, at least you did not drop the powder in the action. Take the cartridge out and put the rifle back down and insert the ECI. When you are ready to resume firing, lift the rifle up again and drop in one of these nice little gadgets in the muzzle and the bullet along with the rod, will come right out.

When I was match director, I carried a set of bullet drop rods in my pocket and it was used several times. I have it with me in my shooting bag that I take to the firing point. I've had to use it in my rifle a few times and I've loaned it out to others a few times also. This is MUCH better than whipping around a cleaning rod. Fast an easy and it won't hurt your barrel.

http://www.sinclairintl.com/gun-par...s/sinclair-bullet-drop-rod-set-prod33852.aspx

 

[Ringostar]

I've dumped powder in the chamber during a match. I thought that it was all blown out, but when I went to chamber the next round I got resistance. I pulled that round out and had slight dents in the shoulder. Since then I keep a chamber brush in my gun case. Fortunately I haven't needed it yet!

 

[BP1]

If you have a cease fire or a misfire and you are jamming your bullets, the easiest thing to do is open the bolt, but don't pull it back. Lift the rifle by the underguard and if the bullet is not jammed, the bolt should open by itself. If it doesn't pull the bolt back and if the bullet stays in the barrel, at least you did not drop the powder in the action. Take the cartridge out and put the rifle back down and insert the ECI. When you are ready to resume firing, lift the rifle up again and drop in one of these nice little gadgets in the muzzle and the bullet along with the rod, will come right out.

When I was match director, I carried a set of bullet drop rods in my pocket and it was used several times. I have it with me in my shooting bag that I take to the firing point. I've had to use it in my rifle a few times and I've loaned it out to others a few times also. This is MUCH better than whipping around a cleaning rod. Fast an easy and it won't hurt your barrel.

http://www.sinclairintl.com/gun-par...s/sinclair-bullet-drop-rod-set-prod33852.aspx

Thanks I think I will order one of these will be good insurance.I have always been one that would rather have it and not need it then the other way around.

 

[Berger.Fan222]

When you are on the line shooting and there is a cease fired called and you jam your loads.What is the proper procedure for unloading the rifle.

Had that happen to a buddy earlier this month. He just backed off and left the bolt closed. When it went back hot, I helped him clear it, working the cleaning rod while he worked the action and told me when the bullet came out. I think he's gonna seat the bullets a bit deeper so he's not jamming next time.

 

[BP1]

Had that happen to a buddy earlier this month. He just backed off and left the bolt closed. When it went back hot, I helped him clear it, working the cleaning rod while he worked the action and told me when the bullet came out. I think he's gonna seat the bullets a bit deeper so he's not jamming next time.

The gun really likes a 7 thousandth jam and also shoots pretty good just touching ,decisions,decisions.

 

[skiutah02]

This is pretty much what I would expect to do.Drew it's your fault once I tried the 7 thousandth jam with the 90gr vlds the gun just loves itLol!!

Glad the suggestion worked for you, and the rifle I mentioned above is the 223/90 that I run jammed, but with 0.003 neck tension.