Drew,it is a 223/90vlds with 0.002 neck tension going to try 0.003 and some different primers,just to see if I can improve it a bit,but it's gonna be hard to shoot any better.Glad the suggestion worked for you, and the rifle I mentioned above is the 223/90 that I run jammed, but with 0.003 neck tension.
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skiutah02
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It's a long story, but when I went from 0.002 to 0.003, my groups at 300 shrank by half in my first barrel. I thought it shot well before so I'm hoping you see the same. Here is a recent target from barrel #3 shot at 600yds a few months back at MN State MR Championship. (200-14x)
They can shoot .
Drew, yes they can shoot. Remember a year ago when we were shooting long range at Harris. Chuck was shooting his 223 from 1000yds. I came out of the pits from pulling targets. He said that he couldn't understand why everything shifted wide right. He was pounding x's then had a wide right 7. I informed him that he and the scorer weren't paying attention to the spotter. He was pounding a 3" group 3 o'clock in the 6 ring. He only moved 2" left to shoot the wide 7!
They can shoot .
skiutah02
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I'd forgotten about that. Ouch.
Maybe this is a hard line, but I think you owe it to the other shooters to load ammo that can complete the course of fire which may include a cease fire where you have to unload a round. If you can't do that without worry of sticking a bullet you need to change your load.
It would be a huge distraction to have someone next you you getting up and trying to ram a cleaning rod down their barrel to get a bullet out.
It would be a huge distraction to have someone next you you getting up and trying to ram a cleaning rod down their barrel to get a bullet out.
Load a few dummy rounds with no powder and your current neck tension/seating depth and try it at the house to see what happens. This way you'all at least know what to expect. Always a good idea to take the rifle vertical and try to keep the powder in the case. And of course always have a few extra rounds for just such an occasion.
Always have a cleaning rod with you, never hurts to have one. The biggest thing is to remain calm, fix the issue and stay focused on shooting good scores.
Always have a cleaning rod with you, never hurts to have one. The biggest thing is to remain calm, fix the issue and stay focused on shooting good scores.
USMCDOC
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Learn to focus!
Maybe this is a hard line too, but getting distracted by something like that may be something that needs to be overcome.
That wouldn't work where I compete. When the range goes cold everyone must insert an ECI; therefore, you MUST open your bolt. A closed bolt when the range is cold is not allowed at any range where I shoot, either for practice or during a match.
If you know that extracting a live round will result in spilling powder (you can test this at home with dummy rounds) then, depending on why the range went cold, your first course of action might be to raise your hand and ask the RO, "One more round please?" If the RO says, "Send it!", that might just solve your problem.
If I recall correctly, the range where this occurred has the same rule, but the RO failed to notice one of the rifles on the line still had the bolt closed. My buddy is a bit less experienced so did not bring it to the ROs attention quickly enough to prevent folks from heading down range to correct the issue that gave rise to the cease fire. The Catch-22 of people downrange with a closed bolt on a loaded rifle developed quickly due to the RO's oversight.
I've seen "One more round please" work many times, but in this case, there had been a misfire due to a firing pin or primer malfunction. Usually, my buddies and I try shooting a second time before opening the bolt on a load with the bullet seated into the lands, and I think this one had already failed to fire twice.
I think the burden is more on ROs to make sure all those bolts are open and all the ECIs are installed before clearing for people to go downrange. Fortunately, they were very good about keeping all the shooters well behind the line.
Ned Ludd
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If you find that jamming the bullet is the optimal seating depth, you have a couple of things you can do. Increase the neck tension like Drew suggested and hope if you ever have to pull a round the bullets don't come loose. Alternatively, carry a set of brass squib rods in your range bag/box and a can of compressed air. The squib rods can be useful for the purpose discussed in this thread, or to knock an actual squib round out of the barrel. Squib rods and compressed air are relatively inexpensive "insurance" if you're using a jammed load.
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