6 dasher Norma Fl sizer die

[skeetlee]

I have been testing the new Norma dasher brass in a norma 6 dasher chamber and from what I am seeing, this is going to be a great combination.
My accuracy was great, the velocity was there, and the brass seems to be holding up.
What I don't have yet is a good FL sizer die that matches this new PTG 6mm norma dasher reamer. My question is if anyone is making any FL size dies for this new chamber? If I cant find anyone that's making these dies then I guess ill send some fired cases to John Whidden.

 

[skeetlee]

no problems with the longer neck on the norma brass with the harrels die??

 

[Cool Tool]

no problems with the longer neck on the norma brass with the harrels die??

Which reamer print do you have as far as the dimension at the 200 line.
WEll being you wont answer my question here goes if your reamer is .4708 at the 200 line harrels D3 will work perfect for you.

 

[Bmat]

I have a Harrells D3.5 and a Redding that is about the same as a Harrells D4. Both will size the Norma brass and use the same bushings but the Redding allows me to size part of the neck rather than the whole thing if I choose to do so. With the Norma brass I think that is an advantage. The Harrels could probably be made to size part of the longer neck by using a short bushing?

 

[ce72]

I talked to whidden about the dies and they said the current dasher dies would work great .
Chip

 

[rcw3]

Our Redding custom Dasher dies work great with the Kiff/Grizzly reamer body dimensions.

Robert
6mmAR.com

 

[skeetlee]

I have a whidden dasher die, and it isn't great. The whidden doesn't size the case enough. Mine doesn't anyway. Also I noticed that I have to push the shoulder back about .004 to get the brass to chamber. Not sure why this is yet. Lee

 

[Cool Tool]

I have a whidden dasher die, and it isn't great. The whidden doesn't size the case enough. Mine doesn't anyway. Also I noticed that I have to push the shoulder back about .004 to get the brass to chamber. Not sure why this is yet. Lee

If you would just tell me what your fired brass is at the 200 line ahead of extractor groove I will tell you what think will work

 

[rcw3]

I have a whidden dasher die, and it isn't great. The whidden doesn't size the case enough. Mine doesn't anyway. Also I noticed that I have to push the shoulder back about .004 to get the brass to chamber. Not sure why this is yet. Lee

One issue - - and it may or may not be the die - - if the shoulder angle of the reamer for the chamber is not dead on at 40˚ and/or the die has the same issue in the reverse, it can take a lot of pushback just to get brass to be able to re-chamber easily, regardless of other things (seen that before). Both chamber and die reamer drawings have angle tolerances and sometimes the finished products are dead on to the stated print, but sometimes they are not and if the chamber is off one way and has a 40˚15' shoulder, but the resize die is off the other way and only has a 39˚45' shoulder, you may need quite a bit of shoulder bump for the brass to re-chamber easily. Then there's also the issue whether things are in the tolerances stated on the prints.

 

[dmoran]

Our Redding custom Dasher dies work great with the Kiff/Grizzly reamer body dimensions.

Robert
6mmAR.com

What diameter does your die size the Shiraz/Norma 6Dasher's to after they've been shot/cycled several firings, at the base/web?
Donovan

 

[rcw3]

What diameter does your die size the Shiraz/Norma 6Dasher's to after they've been shot/cycled several firings, at the base/web?
Donovan

The die is small enough in diameter so that when you resize brass that has been shot a bit and the web is blown out in diameter that the re-sized brass will still chamber freely in a chamber cut with a reamer that's .4708" at .200" forward of the bolt face. Results are based on field testing (by me )

 

[dmoran]

The die is small enough in diameter so that when you resize brass that has been shot a bit and the web is blown out in diameter that the re-sized brass will still chamber freely in a chamber cut with a reamer that's .4708" at .200" forward of the bolt face. Results are based on field testing (by me )

Was hoping you would give sized diameter measurements (like I asked for).

These field test by you, how many firings on the brass and how hard were they hit (in terms of velocity).
What did they expand to at the base/web after each firing, and what did they size back to in the fallow on re-sizing?

Reason I'm asking is for potential buyers. But I will not recommend them without knowledge of sized base/web diameters (or at least good estimates of what can be expected from sized cases with your dies) from brass with repeated firings that is well work-hardened (like "clicks" derive from).
Donovan

 

[rcw3]

Was hoping you would give sized diameter measurements (like I asked for).

These field test by you, how many firings on the brass and how hard were they hit (in terms of velocity).
What did they expand to at the base/web after each firing, and what did they size back to in the fallow on re-sizing?

Reason I'm asking is for potential buyers. But I will not recommend them without knowledge of sized base/web diameters (or at least good estimates of what can be expected from sized cases with your dies) from brass with repeated firings that is well work-hardened (like "clicks" derive from).
Donovan

No disrespect intended, but plain and simple, it's not worth it to make up a spread sheet with all the numbers and data you want for a product I have been using without any issue for years and we have been selling for years, that we have yet to have a complaint on, or a return from anyone on, and sold hundreds of them, many for chambers that measure .4708" at .200" forward of the bolt face (which my own chambers have measured for years also).

 

[dmoran]

No disrespect intended, but plain and simple, it's not worth it to make up a spread sheet with all the numbers and data you want for a product I have been using without any issue for years and we have been selling for years, that we have yet to have a complaint on, or a return from anyone on, and sold hundreds of them, many for chambers that measure .4708" at .200" forward of the bolt face (which my own chambers have measured for years also).

Robert -

No disrespect intended here either, and did not think I was asking for much in my original question. I didn't ask for a spreadsheet of numbers, I asked for a single number. One single measurement from the base/web diameters of brass after being sized from your die with the Norma 6Dasher's brass that was fired a few times, is what I asked for. Which you replied to with what I consider a very vague reply back, without any measurement. Hence is why replied back with even more questions and reasoning.

Your reluctance is becoming, which is an answer in its self. Will refer those people to other sources.
Thanks anyhow.....

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For those who have been asking my advice, the "Harrell's D4" 6Dasher die is my recommendation, for chambers from .4708" to .4715". They cost $75 <> www.harrellsprec.com

Good Luck
Donovan

 

[rcw3]

Yup - - like I said "not worth it"

P.S. I am not referring to Linwood's die either.

 

[Firefighter]

I am having no problems with my 6 Dasher Redding Type S die, going on 3 times fired, with Norma Brass.

 

[boltfluter]

Yup - - like I said "not worth it"

P.S. I am not referring to Linwood's die either.

Don't understand why you would not supply one number. This is good info for many, and I would think a good sales tool. Don't under estimate the intelligence of members on this site.

Paul

www.boltfluting.com.com

 

[expiper]

the answer to the size of the resize die at the .200 line is ,,,,it should be .003" smaller than whatever the chamber (reamer) is at that spot,,,,and the chamber (reamer) should be .003" larger than whatever the virgin brass is out of the box,,,this applies to any cal. ,,not just 6 Dasher,,If the chamber has more than .003" clearance from the new brass the base at the .200 line expands excessively and the primer poket will loosen quickly no matter what brand or how good/bad the quality of the ctg brass,,,,,,,Roger

 

[Phil]

Don't understand why you would not supply one number. This is good info for many, and I would think a good sales tool. Don't under estimate the intelligence of members on this site.

Paul

www.boltfluting.com.com

This^^^^^

 

[rcw3]

Don't understand why you would not supply one number. This is good info for many, and I would think a good sales tool. Don't under estimate the intelligence of members on this site.

Paul

www.boltfluting.com.com

Please consider this then - - is the number requested always going to be the same regardless of the diameter of the web of the brass and also the diameter of the fired brass or might it vary depending on those diameters? Also consider whether hardness of the brass and web may also vary results.

If results vary, then please consider whether the original question might just be a bit of a loaded question to which there is no absolute number answer, and my original answer above to that post may just be about the best answer.

I don't underestimate the intelligence of anyone on this forum. There are a lot of wonderful, good spirited and very smart people here on this forum. As far as I know I have never suggested anyone here was dumb or lacked intellect (including you) - - that was the inference and suggestion you tossed out there and attributed to me, but I do not understand why you might do that.