which whitetail bullet for 223? HELLLLP !!!

[Barlow]

Hornady 55 gr sp or 60 gr hp. Barlow

 

[fredo]

To each his own i guess. Dont miss your mark with those little bullets. Of course you are all probably such good marksmen that am errant shot is never a possibility... Im out.

According to that logic, you should be on ArcheryTalk "educating" the collective how a broadhead won't kill a deer with an errant shot. Thanks for pointing that out here, regarding .224" caliber bullets, Capt. Obvious.

Your implication that an "errant shot" from a larger caliber is somehow a more acceptable form of failure simply boggles my mind.
Whatever floats your boat. Just realize that your flavor of logic doesn't appeal to those who actually deduce things logically & base opinions on experience...

 

[savagedasher]

Barns TSX But if your looking for a 223 caliber to do what you want Lots of luck.
I have found when hunting with youth hunters they fear recoil. Also have found when the wound a animal and don't find it is BAD. My choice is 6+ 45 And 308
A 308 with a brake and a reduced recoil lite bullet for practice. when it time to hunt they don't have the fear of recoil. A 110 Gr bullet lite recoil load out of a 308 is better buy far then the best you can get out of a 223. I have 3 kids 2 girls and one boy. and 4 Grand Kids 2 girls and two boys. They all hunt and never have lost any game.
If you go to Barns Bullets Youth Archives Sydney Tolksdorf She killed a water Buff at the age of 9 with one shot with a 308 with barns 165GR TSX
Larry

 

[johnfred1965]

+! Fredo, I'm man enough to admit I gut shot a doe one time with a 300WSM. it doesn't matter the caliber if you can't hit the mark. took an extra hour with little blood trail to finally dispatch her. with that said, lets put our egos away for now before we get this thread canceled.

As for the OP, I will reiterate the 65gr Sierra game king and the Barnes triple shock would be my choices if the 223 is what you will be shooting.

 

[284winner]

60 nosler partition. The number of replies with that being so dependable in .22 cal is undeniable. It just works. In every caliber.

 

[onelastshot]

hey guys,
in a delima, seems ive tried ALMOST every 223 bullet and just cant find " the one"
killed 5 deer and 9 hogs just this last yr using different bullets in the ar-223 , a 75 gr hornady bthp , 62 gr barnes tsx, 65 gr sierra,55 gr gmx hp, and nosler 64 gr bonded. all did the job and i was really hoping the heavier 75 gr hornady bthp was the majic pill,NOT!
I WANT A BULLET THAT WILL REALLY EXPAND TO OPEN UP WOUND CHANNEL BUT BE TOUGH ENOUGH TO PENETRATE A BIG HOG OR 150 LB GA DEER. is there such a bullet?
shot placement will always be the key but the whole gun was bought for my 7 yr old 43lb string bean grandson. HELP
DOES ANYBODY KNOW if the hornady 75 gr match bthp will expand? it didnt on a deer but i just shot 8 in of pressed books taped togather and it made the biggest hole of all i tested.

Yes there is such a bullet, exactely what you're looking for, it's called a 243, 105 grain partition!. All you have to do is change your barrel.

 

[Jaybo]

60 gr nosler partition would be my choice or the Barnes X .

 

[Gabe22BR]

50gr V-Max in the neck Knocks it out cold !!

 

[stacy]

I KNOW THAT THE BARNES 55GRS TTSX WORKS BECAUSE I SAW IT FIRST HAND DOE 80YDS BOTH SHOULDERS IN AND OUT,REMEMBER IT'S NOT WHAT YOU DRIVE IT WHERE YOU PARK IT FORM 50BMG'S TO 22RF!!!!!!!!!

 

[M14AMU]

Here's a novel idea:

Change caliber!!

 

[Preacher]

Nosler partition 60 grainer, I've used them in 222s' 223s, 22-250 and swifts. They have done the job everytime, never lost a deer or a critter. That bullet in the swift accounted for my biggest muley, a big rack with a very big body at a little over 300 yards, he took two steps.

If your using it in the 223 just be patient and put it where it counts, it will do a great job. I've always wanted to try the 70 grain TSX but can't, I'd feel like I was betraying the lil nosler.

hey guys,
in a delima, seems ive tried ALMOST every 223 bullet and just cant find " the one"
killed 5 deer and 9 hogs just this last yr using different bullets in the ar-223 , a 75 gr hornady bthp , 62 gr barnes tsx, 65 gr sierra,55 gr gmx hp, and nosler 64 gr bonded. all did the job and i was really hoping the heavier 75 gr hornady bthp was the majic pill,NOT!
I WANT A BULLET THAT WILL REALLY EXPAND TO OPEN UP WOUND CHANNEL BUT BE TOUGH ENOUGH TO PENETRATE A BIG HOG OR 150 LB GA DEER. is there such a bullet?
shot placement will always be the key but the whole gun was bought for my 7 yr old 43lb string bean grandson. HELP
DOES ANYBODY KNOW if the hornady 75 gr match bthp will expand? it didnt on a deer but i just shot 8 in of pressed books taped togather and it made the biggest hole of all i tested.

The .224 64 grain Winchester PSP will do a job on any deer sized critters.
Hard to find, and doubt they are made anymore, but I do have a bunch of them that I used in a 223 TC contender pistol on deer......

 

[AckleymanII]

The .224 64 grain Winchester PSP will do a job on any deer sized critters.
Hard to find, and doubt they are made anymore, but I do have a bunch of them that I used in a 223 TC contender pistol on deer......

I shot two does with a Bushmaster at 270 yards with a 53g triple shock, both ran, no blood, lung shots = running deer and we found both of them about 75 yards away. We shot that rifle a lot on the range at 250 yards and the Leupold 6.5x20 with target knobs is the key along with the JP trigger. I would not shoot another barnes in this gun. 60g partition rules the day, 64g Nosler bonded, 64g Winchester, then get the 55g Hornady. Never tried the 65g Sierra.

I can not stress how good the 60 partition is on deer, and in a 22/250 the 60g partition is a as good as a 30/06. The Remington 700 with a 14 twist will barely stabilize the 60 partition with 1 1/2" groups, but the 12 twist is the twist for this bullet.

With the light calibers and good tough bullets, shoot through the shoulders, take their running gear out from under them. Neck shots can be sucker shots from a distance. I am not a believer in Tripple shocks unless you have major horse power behind them.

Hog shoot'en, well they are pests. With a 223, you are pretty much counting on hitting the central nervous system on a DRT kill. So, a quality AR, good high power glass, where is the challenge? Shoot them in the head/neck and lung shots will = running hogs same with deer.

Last antelope I killed was with a 223, 55g Win soft point at 3100 MV, he was 470 yards, and dropped like a toilet seat.

Give a kid an AR, target rich environment, he is going to gimp up some hogs, good reason to get him to the range and keep him shooting. Dead hog is a good hog.

I don't know how large your grandson is, but an AR is an unwieldy rifle to handle for a young child. We started our nephews off with TC Carbines in 30/30 with low recoil Rem ammo, they were awesome on killing deer out to 150 yards, they also wanted to shoot blue jays, hawks, chip munks, squirrels, about everything that walked, flew, or crawled. We had to sit in the stand with them and train them that they were not going to attack us plus the right and wrong of gun handling. My little nephew at 7 years old sat in my lap and killed 5 deer in one season, a bob cat, and two crows with that TC in 30/30 with a 2x-8x leupold on it. The TC is a very handy little rifle, not heavy or cumbersome for a child, and I cut the stock for a perfect length of pull for him so scope acquisition was perfect for his size.

With your quality AR, I hope you get to the rifle range as much as you can, grand sons love to be with their grand pa, really no matter what you are doing as long as you are doing it together. I used the "mini" clay pigeons for my nephew to shoot at, and they measure 2 3/4" in dia. If you can work him up to shooting these at 200 yrds, then get him to shoot the pieces that are left over, he will have all the confidence in the world with that rifle. Aim small, miss small...preach this to him.

As soon as your grandson can handle a 243 with a cut off stock, then the 80g tipped triple shock is a Mack Daddy round for big game along with the 95g partition..savage Axis is a good place to start. Also, the 22/250 Savage Axis with a 60 partition would be excellent.

 

[ltcjwb]

Yes there is such a bullet, exactely what you're looking for, it's called a 243, 105 grain partition!. All you have to do is change your barrel.

Not in an AR-15 platform. .243 is on the .308 platform.

 

[Rustystud]

Funny the 70 grain Swift Scirocco has not been mentioned.

 

[Changeling]

Funny the 70 grain Swift Scirocco has not been mentioned.

You mentioned it one time to me when I was asking about it (Swift Sirocco), when you told be about the accuracy of the 6mm bullets you had received I decided to forget all about it.

No bullet is any good regardless of "claimed BC" and build, when their are problems in it's construction that the manufacturer won't fix.

 

[rogn]

Regarding the WW 64 gr PP, Ive shot 1 doe with it on crop damage and lost it due to lack of exit wound and blood trail. Shot was both lungs and deer ran jumped fence into woods. I found remains weeks later, doe had turned 120 degrees and run 70 yds inside woods. No blood trail. Let me add here, our deer must be different than most other areas, some will wilt in their tracks with a less than perfect shot and others will run a 100 yds jump a fence and jump a brier patch before expiring, this often with no functioning anatomy in the thoracic cavity. I shot a buck at one point with a 375(just practicing to become familiar with rifle) and it left a blood trail that went on for over a 100yds, like blood put down with a whitewash brush, until it ran out of blood. Then it went another 40 yds in a different direction, before being recovered. There have been many that behaved like that. This past year I lost a doe shot w/ a very popular 308 W "deer Bullet". This also on crop damage, shot under a 100 yds, had a resounding "whack", left a small amt of lung tissue in the field(actually man's back yard), this left a short blood trail then dried up. Lost deer. This last season I shot a small button buck with the same bullet at about 65 yds., again tags of lung tissue, bright blood then nothing. Circles revealed no trail until it was too dark to continue. Returned in the AM and by luck saw the white belly about a 100yds off in a different direction than the deer had run in, needed crossing a 4' deep X 12' wide ditch, no blood on either side of ditch. Coyotes got the best part of this deer. The PM revealed one lung fell out on ground on field dressing, the other had a hole around 2 12" thru it. Bullet made a 2 1/2" entrance thru ribs and exited at bullet caliber=> no blood trail. If a 150gr 308 cant insure a blood trail, Im not too sure I want to hunt with the 223 unless Im close enough to head shoot them. Just my two pennies.

 

[Gabe22BR]

Regarding the WW 64 gr PP, Ive shot 1 doe with it on crop damage and lost it due to lack of exit wound and blood trail. Shot was both lungs and deer ran jumped fence into woods. I found remains weeks later, doe had turned 120 degrees and run 70 yds inside woods. No blood trail. Let me add here, our deer must be different than most other areas, some will wilt in their tracks with a less than perfect shot and others will run a 100 yds jump a fence and jump a brier patch before expiring, this often with no functioning anatomy in the thoracic cavity. I shot a buck at one point with a 375(just practicing to become familiar with rifle) and it left a blood trail that went on for over a 100yds, like blood put down with a whitewash brush, until it ran out of blood. Then it went another 40 yds in a different direction, before being recovered. There have been many that behaved like that. This past year I lost a doe shot w/ a very popular 308 W "deer Bullet". This also on crop damage, shot under a 100 yds, had a resounding "whack", left a small amt of lung tissue in the field(actually man's back yard), this left a short blood trail then dried up. Lost deer. This last season I shot a small button buck with the same bullet at about 65 yds., again tags of lung tissue, bright blood then nothing. Circles revealed no trail until it was too dark to continue. Returned in the AM and by luck saw the white belly about a 100yds off in a different direction than the deer had run in, needed crossing a 4' deep X 12' wide ditch, no blood on either side of ditch. Coyotes got the best part of this deer. The PM revealed one lung fell out on ground on field dressing, the other had a hole around 2 12" thru it. Bullet made a 2 1/2" entrance thru ribs and exited at bullet caliber=> no blood trail. If a 150gr 308 cant insure a blood trail, Im not too sure I want to hunt with the 223 unless Im close enough to head shoot them. Just my two pennies.

That's why we use 22's. So we don't have to drag them out of the fields. One good gut shot will do it.

 

[SHootSTraight22]

The 70gr Swift Scirocco and the Nosler Partition would be my first two choices.. You will get deeper penetration with the Partition compared to the Scirocco although,, because of the rounded expansion of the Scirocco compared to the "peeling back" and flatness of the Partition..

 

[rogn]

That's why we use 22's. So we don't have to drag them out of the fields. One good gut shot will do it.

#$%^&*()^%$. #$%^!

 

[Gabe22BR]

Oh' our damage crop damage permit will begin middle of April here, use of spot lights at night are allowed. Silenced 22's don't wake the neighbor's....