Damaged Cartridge........What's up?

[dkhunt14]

Even if the neck was cracked and the shoulder was dented. The case when sized and loaded should have fit the chamber. In my opinion there was something in there to prevent the bolt from closing. Matt

 

[savagedasher]

Matt look at the neck shoulder area . The only way brass moves like that without having sharp edges is with pressure . You can get the same shape from a air dent oil dent or pressure dent from shooting. If you look close your can see the stress cracking . Larry

 

[dkhunt14]

Matt look at the neck shoulder area . The only way brass moves like that without having sharp edges is with pressure . You can get the same shape from a air dent oil dent or pressure dent from shooting. If you look close your can see the stress cracking . Larry

I still feel after sized and loaded the round should have chambered. When I saw dents from pressure or other causes they seemed more rounded and most times they were on the body also. They just weren't just the shoulder. Not saying the cause just my opinion. Matt

 

[savagedasher]

I still feel after sized and loaded the round should have chambered. When I saw dents from pressure or other causes they seemed more rounded and most times they were on the body also. They just weren't just the shoulder. Not saying the cause just my opinion. Matt

With the neck being split the neck size would be too big. Larry

 

[1shot]

If you look closely, I noticed a half moon mark on the moly coating of the bullet that is in alignment with the scratch leading to the dent. I see no evidence if a split neck either.
Lloyd

 

[dmoran]

Larry -
The case is clearly not cracked or split. Here is the picture from 2 other views (flipped 90 and again to 180)
That appears to me to be physically dented (not from combustion pressure) that in return bulged the shoulder enough that it would not chamber fully.

 

[ShootDots]

GREAT picture Donovan.. I am still sticking with my original assertion that it was a primer. If it was NOT a primer, it was possible a small stone. BUT nevertheless, it was some obstruction. Your picture blow-up solidifies, for me, what transpired.. Thanks for that blow-up!

Looking even closer, you can see where the scrape marks on the neck are how you have 2 different scrape marks. 1 "going into" the chamber; and 2 from being extracted OUT of the chamber. It had to be very tight. You really had to push that case forward with some force!

 

[dmoran]

Ben -
Yep... my guess is when chambering also, but I suppose it's possible to have happened when seating the bullet or in sizing.
Hope he comes up with the answer.... to let all of us off the hook...... lol
Donovan

 

[Geno C]

Is it possible a tiny rock go my in there somehow?

 

[LHSmith]

I cut off a petal from a LR primer anvil and I was able to force it through the flash hole. The petal appears large enough to have caused the dent. Perhaps inspecting the anvils from the fired cases will validate this possibility......or not.
Or did the petals separate from the anvil tip (factory defect)- and the anvil tip was propelled out the flash-hole as the primer ignited? The anvils appear to be brass.

 

[Nvreloader]

Moxzella

I believe that this mark/shoulder indent was caused via the size die, ie,
The case was out of alignment when the case mouth was on one side of the expander ball,
not centered, to allow the expander ball to enter the neck,
the handle was lowered, the expander ball slid down the case neck,
and the primer pin slid down the case shoulder and caused the dent,
when the expander ball became trapped between the neck and the inside of the die wall.

I have done this a couple of times when punching the primers out,
when rushing and not paying attention, and having the decapping stem too loose in the die.

Tia,
Don

 

[savagedasher]

I cut off a petal from a LR primer anvil and I was able to force it through the flash hole. The petal appears large enough to have caused the dent. Perhaps inspecting the anvils from the fired cases will validate this possibility......or not.
Or did the petals separate from the anvil tip (factory defect)- and the anvil tip was propelled out the flash-hole as the primer ignited? The anvils appear to be brass.

Larry, UN zoom your phone and notice there's still a bullet seated.

Tom

Tom I would to see the Gorilla that could damage to a case like that closing the bolt. I never have been able to close the bolt with a grain of powder on the shoulder. Let alone gouge the neck and dent a case. Sure isn't a Savage

Larry, UN zoom your phone and notice there's still a bullet seated.

Tom

Tom

Larry, UN zoom your phone and notice there's still a bullet seated.

Tom I did I would like to see the Gorilla that closed the bolt gouged the neck and dented the case . Every time I got just powder one piece of powder I haven't ben able to close the bolt,
I don't think ever a cave man could do that damage do you. Larry

 

[dkhunt14]

Mozella anneals his cases and it wouldn't be that hard to do. I have seen guys bend cases beyond fixing. Some guns besides Savages have cam built into them. Matt

 

[kountryboy2]

Well sometimes you can break steel balls in a sand box with a rubber hammer!

 

[savagedasher]

Mozella anneals his cases and it wouldn't be that hard to do. I have seen guys bend cases beyond fixing. Some guns besides Savages have cam built into them. Matt

The neck was way before the cam worked. And the powder I was referring to wasn't in a savage . My Remington's , Batt , steller and Savage I can't cam over with a grain of powder on the shoulder . Larry

 

[DanSavage]

Almost looks like one of those copperhead bb's made there way in the action somehow. Kid's enemies?LOL I'd have to go with the primer anvil theory.

 

[savagedasher]

The bold is what I was referring to in your post.

I would be most inclined to say you ran into debris in the sizing or seating die and somehow missed it in QC. Like I spent primer got somewhere it shouldn't have maybe.

Tom

Tom I can say I never have had trash ON my cases when sizeing . Can't say the same for inside. Seating I don't seat with my sizing die . I have seen a dent like that from firefourm . It's is obvious to me it was a reloading error. Not from clambering the round. A friend had cases that he turned the neck with the wrong angel and a fine pin hole and when he reloaded them they had the same dent and neck marks. I can't buy the chambering the round did that. Larry

 

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[LHSmith]

Piece of popcorn? As good as any theory so far.

 

[savagedasher]

Piece of popcorn? As good as any theory so far.

Popped a dent right into it. Larry